#2451 - Cheryl Hines

[00:01] Joe Rogan podcast, check it out! The Joe Rogan experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day! [00:12] Cheryl. Joe. So good to see you. It's really good to see you. What's happening? [00:17] Everything. [00:18] Are you good? You all right? Yeah, I am. I'm good now. Yeah? [00:22] Woo. Woo. It's been a few years. I thought about you the moment Bobby said he was going to run for president. You were the first thing I thought of. Thank you. Because I'm a huge fan of Curb Your Enthusiasm. Thank you. I thought you were amazing on that show. Thank you. It's such a good show. Thank you. It's maybe one of the greatest comedy shows of all time. Thank you. And – [00:43] I was like, she's not built for this. [00:46] Turns out I'm not built for this. Nobody is. Trump is the only person I've ever met that somehow or another survives it and seems exactly the same. But most people who are attacked like that, it's like it is a natural human instinct when you are rejected by your tribe to feel terrified and filled with anxiety. But that's why people do it. And that's what encourages groupthink because you're terrified and you wind up agreeing to things that are fucking insane. Yeah. [01:13] You don't even know what you're agreeing to. You just don't want to be rejected by your tribe. And this is how they keep people involved in these where ideologies eventually become cults. Yes. And I think you can make a really good argument of both the right and the left that in a certain certain section of each one of these political parties, it's a cult.

[01:33] Yes, because there are... [01:35] You know, most of us, [01:37] are sort of in the center. [01:39] Yes. Right. And then you have the 10 percent on this side, the 10 percent on this side that are so extreme and loud. [01:47] And they keep everybody fired up. And it is cult-like. Right. Right. [01:52] Yeah, it's weird. It's weird to watch intelligent people get captured in it. [01:57] I was just watching this video with Bill Maher, and Bill Maher had Adam Carolla on. And Bill Maher was talking about how Jimmy Kimmel won't talk to him anymore. [02:05] Like they have this like spat because of politics. Bill Maher is very much a left wing person. He has been his whole life. He has not changed his opinions at all. But he's always been very reasonable and willing to criticize the left as well as the right. Yes. And I don't know if it was because he had dinner with Trump and he met with him, which is just crazy. You're not supposed to talk to people that are the president of the United States. It is crazy. I know I was just talking to Bill Maher and we were talking about this. [02:32] Yeah, because he was like... [02:35] You said exactly what you said. I sat down and had... [02:39] dinner with the president and people went insane. Yeah, and so people, listen, I know that feeling because – [02:46] Even when Bobby started running for president, even when he started running as a Democrat. [02:51] People were angry. Well, they're just Democrats were angry. They're just mean. When it comes to politics, people just get so mean. It's like these are not the type of people you ever want in any position of power. People are the least charitable, most vicious people. The moment you are running against them in a political party, they will pull out all the stops, take things out of context, lie about you. Yes. Even if they're even if you're in their party, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. A hundred percent.

[03:21] That was challenging. [03:24] Because, you know, like Hollywood is competitive and it's hard and you are, you know, you're hustling, you're working really hard, but you're not. [03:36] trying to tear other people down. Right. [03:39] So politics, as soon as you say... [03:42] As soon as he said, I, well, no, I'm sorry. Before that, people were coming after him. They were always coming after him. They were always coming after him. But it kicked up a notch when he decided to run for president. Oh, big notch. I'm sure. Yeah. And it was just, it's just weird, you know. [04:01] And there was like a feeling of doom. [04:06] For me, Bobby's tough. [04:09] He's so frigging tough. Well, they've been coming after him for like 20 years. Yeah. So he's just developed a rhino skin. Yeah. Yeah. [04:17] And I, you know, when I was I was like, oh, my God, I'm not going to make it. You know, a good indication how they come after themselves, each other rather, is during the debate with Kamala and Biden. [04:31] When Kamala was accusing Biden of... [04:34] at the very least sexual assault, right? Like this sort of creepy. Yeah. Yeah. It seemed like she was accusing him of sexual assault. And then when they confronted her on it, she's like, it was a debate. [04:46] That's literally what she said.

[04:51] Strange thing about politics that I'm still getting used to is they will... [04:56] viciously attack each other. [04:59] And then a minute later in the hallway, it's like, hey, how's it going? And I'm still in shock. You know, I'm still angry about what just happened in there. And they're they're already over and they're already like, yeah, that's politics. That's what we do. Did you ever see the debates with Mitt Romney and Barack Obama? [05:18] Thank you. [05:19] I'm sure I did, but I got nothing. Jamie, see if you can pull some of that up. [05:22] God, why can't we go back to that? Oh, was it like civilized? Oh, completely. Yeah. For Mitt Romney, Mitt Romney's like, he's Mormon, like super religious guy, never swears, probably doesn't do anything, right? Yeah. So he's like super polite. Yes. And then Barack Obama, because, you know, they're matching each other's energy. He was very polite, too. They disagreed on many things, but they were talking about what they wanted to do. Right. [05:52] or the or you know how they look turned into that which is crazy when you look like that you know what i'm saying if it's like the guy makes fun of his own hair like he makes fun of his comb over he's like but here it is governor romney and the university of denver for your hospitality the only person in this stage is a convicted felon okay this is just a comparison between that's that was the biden ones with trump were the worst because they're trying to map trump's

[06:22] Well, they didn't know how to debate him. Yeah. That's what... [06:26] I think he does well. If you want to diffuse that. Yeah. Which you would say is like, this is not productive for anybody. Right. Like if you want to have like a completely separate conversation about who's a bigger piece of shit. Right. [06:36] And you want to do a podcast and you and me talk about how I think you're a piece of shit. You think I'm a piece of shit. That's one thing. But you have X amount of time to say how you're going to run the country and what you think is wrong with the policies. Yeah. What you think is wrong with where we're spending money. Yeah. What you think was all the above. Yes. Yeah. That's what you're supposed to do. Yes. And the idea that you can't win that way is crazy. It is crazy. It's crazy. [07:06] Thank you. [07:06] A lot. Some, not all. Politicians really work on, I got to get a catchphrase in there. Well, Trump's really good at that. Like he names people, Crooked Hillary, Sleepy Joe. It works. [07:19] It works. It did work. I mean, because people get so thrown off, they don't know how to respond. Like you said, that's what they should say. But they just get so thrown off that it's just paralyzing. Well, at least in this day and age, there's a method through social media for you to respond. If something you think is inaccurate or whatever, you respond. But there was a time where there was nothing. [07:49] in power, they controlled everything. They controlled all the news stories about you. They controlled everything. There's a great story with Hunter S. Thompson and Ed Muskie's running for president. And Hunter S. Thompson makes this crazy rumor about how he's addicted to Ibogaine. And he has a Brazilian witch doctor comes in and treats him. And this guy literally cracks on the campaign trail because Hunter S. Thompson said this, made up this crazy story about him. And this guy, you see him having nervous breakdowns on the campaign trail,

[08:19] off. Yeah. But he was like a front runner at one point in time. Or at least he was very competitive and it just... Yeah. They killed him. Well, it's a power of words. Yes. Which by the way, [08:31] You know, when Bobby decided to run and he came and I talk about this in my book, Unscripted, when he came on your podcast was a game changer. [08:40] Right. Because everything that you're saying. [08:44] It is true. And the press was going hard. They still do. They were going hard at Bobby. Like, he's this, he's that. Here's what he thinks. Here's what he represents. And then... [08:57] He came on your podcast and you guys had a... [09:00] conversation. And you know what [09:04] You're curious and you're a great listener and you're not judgmental. And people heard what Bobby had to say. [09:13] And it changed everything for him. Well, I think it helped also that I knew who he was. I read his book and I had also had negative opinions of him before I actually read what he said. [09:24] This summer, the Cup is taking over the U.S., and only DraftKings has you covered every step of the way. Follow every group stage upset, every knockout round thriller, every stoppage time moment that flips the whole tournament. Sweat all the big matches you love in real time with a seamless experience built for the world's biggest stage. No matter where you're watching, you're always connected and in the game with one app.

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[12:59] in snake oil and witchcraft. This is what I thought. And then during the pandemic, I was like, okay, these experts are clearly lying. I know they're lying because they're literally lying about me. Right. So which was crazy. So when you're in it and you know who you are and you know. [13:16] how you're feeling and what your body is doing and [13:19] Other people, news outlets are saying... [13:22] Uh-uh, that's not true. It's got to feel so weird. Well, it felt really weird because they weren't addressing the fact that it was healthy. [13:29] That was crazy. So you're talking about this massive pandemic and you've got this guy in his 50s. You know, I'm supposed to be a vulnerable person. [13:37] And I'm in my 50s and I got over it in a couple of days and I'm telling everybody how I did it. And they're saying that I'm some quack who's taking veterinary medicine. Right. Which was just a flat out lie, but it was weird. Yeah. It was weird to watch. It didn't like... [13:50] It didn't give me anxiety. [13:52] It made me laugh a lot. I laughed a lot. Yeah. Because fortunately, during this entire time period, I was doing stand up and hanging out with comedians. We all thought it was so funny. Like, bro, CNN is so full of shit. This is crazy. See? I never would have believed it. Yeah. And you have this outlet and you were able to talk about it. Right. And tell people. Luckily. So it's like, luckily. They thought they were picking on me because they thought they were the bully. But during the whole exchange, they went, oh, my God, this thing's way bigger than we thought it was. Yeah. [14:22] more listeners and viewers than their show, which is crazy. Because all I can do is come on here and go, are you fucking out of your... Do I need to sue you people? You guys are cracked.

[14:32] It is crazy. It's crazy. So, yeah, so you saw things firsthand that you hadn't experienced before. Yeah. And then when I read Bobby's book, one of the things that I knew about Bobby before – The Fauci book or – Yes, the real Anthony Fauci, which was just – [14:49] I would read it. I would listen to it, an audio tape in the sauna. So I'm sitting there cooking at 196 degrees where you're already kind of freaking out. You can only stay in there so long before you die. That's the whole key of the sauna. You get it way before you're going to die. That's when you get out. But if you stayed in there for a few hours, you're a dead man. [15:08] And so I'm kind of freaking out already, and I'm like, this is the nuttiest story of one guy and his cohorts who have been doing this kind of shit. [15:19] The same shit they were doing during the pandemic, suppressing other medication, promoting something that they had that they're going to make a massive profit off of gaslighting people, lying about the data, lying about. This is the thing they did during the AIDS crisis. And yeah. Yeah. And their footnote after footnote. Yes. Reference after reference. Exactly. Saying this is here's this. Here's that. I'm not making the lawsuits. Yeah. [15:43] No one's tried to sue him. And this is one thing I keep bringing up. If that was lies, people would have – they would document how it's not true. They would show the actual paperwork. They would show the actual data. This is how it's not – no, it's all true, which is – you go, well, how do I not know this? And what kind of irresponsible journalism do we have in this country where this has happened and it takes this one guy to publish this book before people start talking about it? Yeah. I also knew his work as an environmental attorney.

[16:11] I think that was that's a very important thing for people to realize. Like what he did was essentially help clean up the East River. And if it wasn't for him and his work, that would still be probably a polluted shithole unless somebody else came along and stopped these corporations from polluting the river and then forced them to clean it up. Right. That right. And by the way. [16:35] You know, when people talk about Bobby and they want to paint him as somebody who is trying to hurt people or kill people or whatever that sounds like or looks like, when you look at his career and who he is and what he's accomplished, yeah, he spent a lot of time suing Bobby. [16:53] huge corporations because they're polluting waterways, waterways, [16:58] because it's hurting people, killing people, giving people cancer. So why would he spend all of his life [17:06] Fighting for people, fighting for individuals, you know, and then... [17:12] suddenly change and want to really hurt people. [17:16] A lot of people. It just doesn't track. It doesn't make sense at all. Well, the whole thing came about because of vaccines and his questioning of the vaccine narrative, which is now way more mainstream, because I, like many people, said the scientists must be correct. Everybody else is a kook. You got to get your vaccines. Got to do whatever you have to do.

[17:46] He was a kid. [18:03] I firmly believe that when you have this sort of a visceral reaction to any sort of a subject like that without a rational examining of what is objective truth – [18:14] When you have that visceral reaction, something's happened. You've been co-opted. There's a thought in your head that you can't question this or you'll be ostracized. You'll be cast out of the crew, the tribe. You're out. Yeah. And that's what everyone's afraid of. That is what – because that is what happens as we've seen. Exactly. [18:33] To that point... [18:36] You know, as a mother, I... [18:39] It's so frustrating to [18:42] to hear parents say, this is my experience. This is the experience I have with my own child. I'm with this child every day. After the vaccine, there was a change. This is my experience. And for people to... [18:56] get mad at them for [18:58] even like you're saying, talking about it. They're not allowed to talk about the experience they had or ask why it happened or. [19:07] You know, let people talk to each other to see if they have shared experiences that can lead us to something better. Right. It's crazy.

[19:18] And it shouldn't be accepted. We shouldn't communicate like that. It's not smart. We've been lied to so many times. I mean – [19:30] Why would you just assume that that stopped, that that has ended? [19:34] If you just go back and think about all the different things that both the government and, of course, pharmaceutical drug companies have lied about or at least been wrong about. The amount of drugs that they had to pull, it's substantial. It's a giant chunk. Well, that's the question. Right. [19:50] We understand and accept that there have been drugs out there. [19:55] that everybody thought were good, were helpful. And then 10 years later, 20 years later, [20:02] the company's [20:04] scientists whomever realize oh actually [20:08] they're doing more harm than good. What about thalidomide? [20:10] Like what it did with birth defects in children. It's crazy. They used to prescribe that to mothers. Well, it's even like getting x-rayed. Yeah. You used to have... [20:21] mothers [20:23] that we're pregnant. [20:24] x-rayed to see how the baby was doing for a long time it'd be cool if it gave the baby superpowers but it never does it only happens in the science yeah and that never works out on the good way science fiction yeah if you feel a little off it's okay it's february everybody feels a little off in february it's darker it's colder you probably already gave up on some new year's resolutions but you don't have to wait till spring to get yourself right again it all starts with

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[22:31] put into making sure that they're in control of the narrative, or at least they're influencing the narrative. It's like, this is this lady. Wow. Isn't that crazy? [22:40] Isn't that crazy? That's crazy. And that's just from x-raying your hand. [22:45] They would use it to calibrate the machine every day. Oh, my God. That lady cooked her hand. Isn't that awful? [22:53] Oh, it's so spooky. That's really crazy. Yikes. What are the – you're not going to have the answer to this. I might. What are the things that we have to go through in the airport? [23:05] Oh, the TSA? That's radio. Yeah, that's like a radio frequency, right? What is that? Let's pull that up. I do not think that that's dangerous. But look, there's a lot of people that think Wi-Fi is dangerous. There's a lot of people that think that 5G is dangerous. They think that EMF from even electric cars is dangerous. There's people telling you you shouldn't have earbuds in your ears. You know, you should only listen with a cord or a speaker if you can. Right. Yeah. Well, it makes sense. [23:31] You've got things... [23:32] going directly into your head [23:35] Yeah, it's probably not the best thing for you, but it's like how many people are wearing AirPods and how little damage is it actually doing? That's the question. It's like, what is the real issue? Most TSA body scanners use millimeter wave radio waves. So not x-rays and do not add to your ionizing radiation exposure. So it's not x-ray based, right? It's a radio wave. But is it?

[24:01] What is it? Is it dangerous? How does the dose compare to a flight? What is that? X-ray scanners? That's just scanners. Is there any damage? Just look at faith that this is OK. Follow up. [24:14] millimeter wave scanner radiation. [24:17] Is it dangerous? Is there any dangerous? [24:20] aspects of it [24:22] Health and radiation protection agencies note that doses from older backscatter x-ray scanners were extremely low. Whatever. Meanwhile, they fucking don't go anywhere near it when they turn it on. Exactly. When you go to the dentist's office, they hide behind a brick wall. No, they go into the other room and you're like, what? They're in a fucking bunker. This thing is like right next to my head. I know. And they make you wear like a lead vest over your body. [24:43] Yeah, it's intense. Do they still do that? Yes. Yeah? [24:48] Yes. I haven't gotten one of those with the lead vest in a while. No, and you're right. They go into the other room and they're like, don't move. [24:55] You're just sitting there with a, you know, [24:57] If there's any worries anyone should have about these body scanners. I mean, I don't want to – I'm not causing any – [25:03] outrage here. I'm just curious. Yeah, it's just fine. I don't think the TSA ones are dangerous. Major health agencies did not see any proven health risk at the levels used, but people still raise a few practical concerns. So millimeter wave scanners use low-power, non-ionizing radio waves. Studies and reviews have not found harmful effects at the power levels used in airport screening, [25:25] sensitive groups, analysis that modeled risk for children, pregnant people. What? What?

[25:32] Why does it say pregnant people? Which kind of people can get pregnant? Do you think, hey, AI, hey, super genius, you think maybe it's women, you fucking asshole? And frequent flyers still found the low added risk from backscatter scanners, far below routine medical x-rays or even the radiation from flying itself. Well, that is a thing, too. Oh, right, radiation in the plane. Flying, when you're flying. I mean, there's so many things. Isn't it just like we're all going down? [26:02] into perplexity. [26:03] Please. What is... Why is... Flying. Flying. Why does that give you radiation? Is it because you're closer to the sun? Like, what is it? You're less protection? Yes. Yeah? Is that what it is? Yes. Yes. [26:16] Is that all it is? Yeah, mostly. You're up high? Yeah, there's not a lot of stuff to diffuse it. Less air. [26:21] Something I saw someone bring up recently, too, having those screens right behind your head because there's one in every other. Oh, that's got to be bad for you. Well, Wi-Fi on the plane. It's like just bouncing around. Yeah, Wi-Fi. Well, they used to be able to smoke. Which is crazy. The plane that I was on had the no smoking sign. I would feel super uncomfortable getting on that plane. It's not a good feeling. That's an old-ass plane. When you're like, okay, thank you. How old is this fucking plane? They used to have little ashtrays. Remember those? Yes. In the seats? [26:51] And that's really crazy. And typical commercial flight, you get a small dose of extra cosmic radiation on the order of what you expect from a medical x-ray spread out over several hours. Whoa.

[27:03] So every time you fly, it's like getting x-rayed? [27:06] That's kind of crazy. What happens to pilots? Okay. Yeah, that's a good question. That's a good question. Do pilots... [27:13] have any health risks from radiation exposure while flying. [27:17] Yeah, that's a good question. Because I would imagine if you're flying all the time. They're the ones that would. It's like getting an x-ray every day. [27:26] That's... [27:28] I mean, everything is killing us, right? That's why I came on. I wanted to hear what's going to kill us first. I don't think... There's so many things. Yes. This is going to be like a... [27:38] I don't think everything's – Meteorite that's going to hit us first? [27:41] But there's a lot of stuff keeping us alive longer now, too. Pilots and other air crew do get more radiation than typical travelers, but whether that causes health problems is still being studied, and any added risk appears modest on a personal level. Like, they would be the ones that you would be able to study from the best, whether or not flying, and flight attendants, whether or not flying is actually bad for you. [28:01] Well, we haven't heard anything yet. No. So that's good news. You would imagine that you've been flying a long time. Many studies find pilots and flight attendants have higher rates of some cancers, especially melanoma and other skin cancers, and in some studies, breast cancer. However, reviews say it's not clear how much of it is from cosmic radiation versus other factors such as disrupted sleep. That's true. Like UV exposure during off time and lifestyle.

[28:31] been established that does make sense with the disrupted sleep because i talked to a pilot once who did like a lot of late night flights and it's like your your whole body is just so wrecked like people who do the night shift like yeah that can't be good for you your circadian rhythm's all fucked up you're sleeping during the day though can't you adjust if you can [28:49] But if you're the guy who gets the night shift every night, you're working at a factory and you punch in at like 8 p.m., that's just your life, man. That's how you live. It's like shooting a film. [29:03] And you do like... [29:05] three or four night shoots, someone snaps. Yeah. There's always one person that just like. Can't handle it. Freaking crazy. Well, you're. Oh, no. Chad just went. We just lost Chad. I don't know what happened to him, but he freaked out. Some people, when they can't sleep, they become big babies. [29:23] Yeah, very emotional. Yeah. Very emotional. Well, there's a thing – there's an indulgence on sets too from actors that's like – [29:33] And there's a kind of a lack of appreciation sometimes of – because you just get accustomed to it of how fortunate you are to be able to do what you do. Yeah. You know, very few people get to be an actor in a movie. Yeah. And you're spazzing out because you didn't get enough sleep. Yeah. And meanwhile, the crew really didn't get enough sleep. They didn't get enough sleep either. They're working two hours before you and two hours after. But if they spaz out, they'll get fired. Yeah, immediately. Yeah, and that's the difference. Like it's not an equality thing.

[30:03] They're aware they're like royalty walking around this film set. You know, it's kind of odd. Well, it is odd. And at the same time, it's... [30:11] It's a very unique... [30:15] experience, right? Because this person has to be on camera and every... [30:20] inch of their faces, you know, going to be six feet [30:25] tall in a movie theater and so everybody's just making sure that person is... [30:30] doing okay and they look okay and they feel okay because if they don't then they don't you don't have anything you don't have anything to shoot so everybody is just like [30:41] Yeah. Are you okay? Are you feeling okay? Are you hydrated? Do you need water? Do you need a... [30:45] Piece of turkey. Well, the results of that, like psychologically over a prolonged period of time, people usually get really weird. [30:55] Yeah, agree. That's their normal experience. Yeah. Is everybody's treating them like, can I take care of your hair? Are you okay? Are you okay? Can I take care of your lips? It's true. Brush your shoulders off. It's true. It's kooky. It's kooky. And that's why, you know, the people that start early, especially that have success early. Oh, yeah. [31:13] It's not good. It's not a good way to kick off your life. It's like, this is not normal. If you think this is normal, you're going to be real sad in a few years. And I don't think you can recover from a bad developmental period that way. That's hard. It's different. It's different than anything else. Like you could have a bad childhood and it'll make you more resilient. But a bad childhood in front of the whole world and you've never had to really work and you've never had to really struggle and you've been famous since you were young.

[31:43] but from the time you were young, is people loving you for your work, which is not good for kids. No, it's not. And the way you look. Right. That's a big part of it, which is hard. Yeah. So it's not just your work, you know, it's like... [31:55] what we're talking about you have to look good while you're doing it that's part of the job especially as a woman that's a big factor but i always liken it to like concrete like if you make concrete incorrectly so like if you decide to mix it but you don't add enough water or you don't it's only you can add water later once it's solid it's like that's what it is it's gonna be lumpy it's just gonna be sucky weak ass concrete that's gonna break wait when did you get uh what what [32:25] for news radio called hardball it was a sitcom that was on fox that's what i actually moved out to la for and if if that show got canceled and if i didn't have a lease on an apartment i would have went back to new york i hated it why did you hate it well i didn't like the whole scene it felt i was used to [32:46] Fight gyms, pool halls, and comedy clubs. Those are the people I was used to. They're the funniest, like most brash, blunt people. And everybody's cracking on everybody. And it's like it's jolly. Those are jolly places for the most part. Yeah. And then I went from there to this weird world of groupthink. And seeing people read The Hollywood Reporter every day and get really upset. Yeah. And I would keep telling them, like, that's the devil's rag. Like, why are you reading that?

[33:16] Like, don't read that. Right, because they're just mad that they didn't get the role or they didn't get the... [33:22] The film or whatever, it is odd, but yes. It's kooky. And it's also the group thing. It's like I saw it like right away. Like if a film was really good, if everybody decided it was really good, you had to say it was really good. You couldn't say I fucking hated that movie. Yeah. Like there was this Jack Nicholson movie where he played this asshole and I think it was Helen Hunt played. As good as it gets. Yes, that one. And I was like, Jesus Christ. Like what? The whole idea was that he was a fucked up dude because he was on some sort of a medication. [33:52] medication made him racist. It didn't make any sense. The whole thing was nuts. [33:59] And I remember everybody saying, what an amazing movie. I'm like, God, I felt bad for her. Like, get the fuck out of that relationship. Find someone who's nice to you. This is crazy. Yeah. This is crazy. Racist. [34:09] It didn't make any sense. And I remember, like, arguing with people on a set about it. And, like, they were all like, oh, I thought it was an amazing film. Like, they had to say it. Right. It was Jack Nicholson. Right. It was an amazing movie. It was like. Right. That movie was fucking depressing, man. Like, that was all that poor lady had. Yeah. This fucking asshole, this old asshole. It was like the movie Precious. [34:30] I didn't see that. Oof. Yeah, I heard that was a rough one. It's just, you're just watching and you're like, whoa. [34:36] Nothing else bad could happen. And then it's. Another thing happens. No, it just gets worse. And by the end of it. [34:43] You're just... [34:44] You're just... [34:46] Feeling like, why are we alive? I don't like those kind of movies. I don't want to feel depressed. No. Okay, so then you got...

[34:53] Then news radio. News radio. So I stayed in L.A. just because I had a lease. [34:59] That was it. I'm not kidding. I was so ready to go. You are not going to break that lease. I was trying to say, I didn't have the money. I was like, I was like, okay. [35:08] I have some money because I did the sitcom for six episodes. So I had some money. So I was like, how much money would it cost me to just fucking pay this lease off? A lot. Just jet. A thousand. And I was like, I'll just stay here. And then I got another development deal. I got a development deal with NBC. And they had this – before I did the show, they said we have this show that we have a pilot for, but we're going to fire this one person on the pilot. And would you come in and read for it? Did you know who was being fired? [35:35] Yeah, well, it was actually a friend of mine. Did you know at the time? Well, he got replaced. And it's hard to replace somebody. It's Ray Romano. Oh. So he was a good friend of mine. He's a friend of mine. He's awesome. He's awesome. [35:44] And I had worked with Ray like multiple times in New York. But Ray got fired and then they replaced him with another guy who was in the pilot. And then they decided to fire that guy. So I was like, okay, well, at least I'm not taking Ray's job. Yeah, that's good. But then Ray went on to do Everybody Loves Raymond. Yeah, he did okay. Him getting fired was the best thing that ever happened to him. [36:02] So then I go in and they let me watch the pilot. It was already made. And so I got to see it. It's Phil Hartman and Dave Foley and Candy Alexander and Maura Tierney and Andy Dick and Steven Root. I'm like, holy shit. Yeah. Like I can be on this show. This show is amazing. Yeah. [36:18] So I did that. Then I did Fear Factor. [36:21] Well, how long was...

[36:23] News radio. Five years. Wow. Yeah. [36:28] But it really wasn't popular. It was only popular on reruns. Really? Yeah, once it got into syndication. Because we moved around like over the course of five years. We moved nine times, I believe. [36:38] When you were doing news radio, [36:42] That's right. I don't know what years. [36:45] It was 94 to 99. Okay. So I got Curb Your Enthusiasm in 99. So before that... [36:53] I was working for Rob and Michelle Reiner. [36:56] As a personal assistant. And I was also doing like catering at night sometimes just to make ends meet. [37:05] And one of my jobs when, and I never knew what the job would be, you know, they'd say show up here at whatever, five o'clock. One of my jobs one time was... [37:15] News radio, there was a little green room where, you know, agents and people, VIP, and I was in charge of... [37:25] Oh, like making sure the food on the table looked good. That's hilarious. I just stood there for hours. I think Phil Hartman came in and was like, hey, I didn't know him at the time. I met him. And he said, oh, you know, who are you here to see? I said, oh, I'm just in charge of this table. [37:46] But that was my big... [37:47] job for the night. This episode is brought to you by Traeger Grills. If you enjoy food, and I mean really good food, Traeger is a game changer. This isn't just a grill. It's the ultimate way to cook outdoors, delivering unbeatable wood-fired flavor thanks to the all-natural hardwood pellets that fuel everything you grill, smoke, or bake. That's it. Just wood

[38:17] Just set the temp, load the grill, and let Traeger handle the rest. Grilled steaks, smoked ribs, even baked pizza, all on one grill. If you're into fire, flavor, and doing things right, check out Traeger Grills. [38:31] This episode is brought to you by SimpliSafe. One thing you probably don't think about when you're planning the perfect summer getaway is protecting your home. But if disaster strikes, you want to be prepared. Even better, if it can be stopped before it happens. So check out SimpliSafe. They're the smarter option when it comes to home security because their systems help prevent and stop crime in real time before it starts. There's also no long-term contracts and [39:01] system and set it up in one afternoon by yourself or even sooner. It's one of many reasons why millions of people continue to trust and use SimpliSafe. Everyone deserves to have peace of mind, which is why I'm happy to partner with SimpliSafe again and offer an exclusive discount. Right now, you can get 50% off your new system by visiting simplisafe.com slash rogan. That's [39:31] My friend Joey Diaz, who is – at that time, he had just recently gotten out of jail. He came to visit me on the set, and he realized that the good food was all in the VIP green room. And he's like – he got overweight for a while, but back then he wasn't. Back then he just looked like a big football player, like a big scary-looking Cuban guy. And he was in there eating a shrimp cocktail, and they were like, who is the scary guy that's eating?

[40:01] They all freaked out because Joey went into the super secret room. I was wondering. I wonder if he went in there when you were in there. Oh, can you imagine? If I was like, excuse me, sir, you can only have six shrimp. I have to watch the table. Well, he wasn't supposed to be in there. He was just my friend hanging out. He just went in there. He's like, this is where the good food is. And he went in there and started chowing down. They were all freaking out. It was very funny. [40:24] It was very funny. [40:26] But did you like L.A. any better when you were doing... [40:31] News, radio? I always wanted to leave. I always felt like it was radioactive. I always felt like there's a part of this. Look, the weather's great. It's beautiful. The comedy store was amazing. It was great to have that place, but there's too many people. When there's that many people, I think you devalue people. I don't think people are worthwhile to you. I think people are way better off living in a small town or a small city. I think it's healthier. It's more community. [41:01] millions of people like fuck and you see like the 405 at like 4 p.m it's kooky and it's like 10 lanes just bumper to bumper in both directions and everybody thinks that everybody else is annoying [41:13] Because you're in your way. Oh, you mean on the road. Yeah. I thought you were in general. People that get in front of you. Look, you're not going anywhere and someone decides to get in front of you. Like, who's this fucking guy? It's true. Everybody gets crazy. It is true. Not healthy. No. I felt like that wasn't healthy and I really hated the whole mentality behind the group thing that was a part of Hollywood. Because everybody's trying to get cast in something. In order to get cast in something, you have to be... You have to ingratiate yourself with the producers and the casting directors. Everybody has to like you.

[41:43] So you have to have the same opinions as they do. Yeah. And if you don't, you have to fake it. Yeah. And I was like, this is gross. This is gross. The way they behave is gross. The way the casting people would treat you was gross. I didn't like it at all. Well, you mean just going in and auditioning? No, it was hard. Well, there was a lot of it where there was like this arrogance. This like this, like they're giving you this chance. So they're like really arrogant. I was like, hey, I don't even care about this. That's why you got the part. Probably got some of the things. [42:13] factor. [42:14] Because I was the only one who made fun of it. And did you – you never had to do – you never had to, like – [42:20] Eat the spiders. I ate a bunch of stuff. I ate some spiders. Yeah, I ate an Iraqi cave spider. I ate a Madagascar hissing cockroach. I ate a tomato hornworm. I ate a sheep's eyeball. I ate a bunch of stuff because I ate it just to show the people that you could eat it. Ew. Did you ever throw up after? No. I only threw up once at home. You waited until you got home? It was really good editing. They did a great job. [42:50] He's not like Bobby. Bobby is never thrown up. It's just that he doesn't [42:54] So he will eat anything and do anything. Well, I've definitely thrown up. But this time it was this lady was eating worms and she had to swallow the worms and she couldn't. So she spit them up into the glass and then she could keep going if she could re-drink what was in the glass that Sherry spit up. And so she did it. I went, ran into the kitchen and threw up in the sink. And I was like, how? And I kept thinking, how odd. Like what a great job they did.

[43:24] me so wrapped up in it. Even though I was at home, I was like five feet away from that lady while she was doing that. I didn't throw up. And it didn't bother you? It bothered me, but I was trying to help her. I was trying to get her, talk her through it. That's why you were so good on it, because you were never making fun of people. I definitely made fun of people. [43:46] crazy to be on this show and why are you crying you're the one that wanted to come on you were you were very uh i wanted to help them yeah yeah i wanted to help them at the very least do their best and there was a lot of it that i said look i know this sounds crazy but if you just force yourself to chew this and swallow it you could do it you got to just take your mind out of this place it's not that bad and sometimes i would eat things just to show them you know like i ate a roach just to show my girl i'll eat this if you know i want to eat this roach it's not that big a deal [44:15] Ew. Did you chew it? Yeah. You have to. You can't swallow it. It'll be alive in your stomach. Do you remember what it tasted like? Not much. Not much. [44:21] Yeah, they don't, they don't. Yeah, I know. It's, but it's in your head. It doesn't. Sure. Real crunchy. But the actual taste itself was not bad. I mean, it wasn't good. It wasn't like I looked forward to roaches. And what about rats? Did you do a lot of rat work? We did work with rats where people had to like line a thing in a coffin. Yeah. Covered them with rats and the rats would be nibble on them. Uh-uh. Yeah, that's not good. But they were pet rats. I mean, they were fed a healthy diet. Pet rats? They were. [44:51] They weren't like dangerous street rats that have been eating each other. Did anything – I mean you probably can't talk about it, but did anything ever go –

[44:59] Horribly wrong? No. We got lucky though. It's just luck. I really believe that. [45:06] Because we made them ride bulls once. Yeah, and you can't control a bull. I told the people, don't do it. When all the contestants, I said, I wouldn't do this. I'll tell you right now. I don't think you should do it because it's not worth it. I go, the kind of catastrophic injury that you get from a bull stomping on your face, it's like you don't come back from that. You have to understand there's not a 0% possibility that this bull will stomp you or kick you while you're in the air being launched off its body and get kicked in the face. That's possible. [45:36] Don't do it. I wouldn't do it. Some people would back out, right? They all did it. [45:39] They all did it. They all did it, I think. I'm pretty sure. And then they got thrown from the bull. How do you – I mean – They got – they flew. This one lady weighed like 98 pounds and she got bucked and she went flying and landed right on her back and was like knocked out. Yeah, it was horrible. I would have never done that. [45:56] I mean, and look, I've had bull riders on the podcast before. You know, I've talked to multiple. We have bull riders on Fear Factor. Doesn't it? You might know. Is that you? Yeah. Did you see it? What a cute ringtone. Hey, put him on speakerphone. Seriously? Yeah, why not? [46:13] honey you're on speaker i'm here with joe we're on the podcast [46:18] You're on the podcast, so don't swear. [46:21] Hello? [46:24] Can you hear me, honey? We're talking to Joe right now. You're live.

[46:30] Well, thanks. Hey, Joe, I'm looking forward to seeing you in a couple of weeks. Yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing you, too. [46:37] You probably shouldn't have told people that because then they'll start attacking you. Is there anything you need to tell me? [46:43] I was just going to ask you to be nice to my wife. Why didn't you call me? [46:49] I'm in tears over here, honey. It's really, it's going horribly. [46:55] All right, well, bring me back some of that alpha... [46:58] Alpha brain. Yeah, will do. Okay, baby. I love you. Take care. I love you. Bye. Bye, Bobby. Love you, too. [47:07] That's hilarious. What was the – what were you showing me? That Mexican OD did bull stuff. No! Mexican OD did it! No! He got fucked up. No! I mean, he got up and ran away. No! Oh, my God. This is a guest that was on my podcast. He's awesome. He's a brilliant rapper. [47:25] Oh, my goodness, dude. Yeah, the bull got him good. Oh, my goodness, dude. That's so terrible. Almost bored. Oh, my goodness, dude. Don't do that no more. [47:33] I mean, can I ask a question to – [47:36] To the men. I mean, do you wear special equipment down there? Yes. I assume they do. They might not while they're doing that because I saw one guy get a horn right up his butt. Yeah, but there's no special equipment that's going to protect you there. But what about your... [47:50] Yeah. You should wear a cup for sure. You should wear something. Yeah. [47:54] Yeah. Because that doesn't seem like that's healthy. Dope. Definitely not healthy. I don't think there's anything healthy about it, right? No, definitely not healthy. I mean, it's just like...

[48:03] a lot of pressure on your [48:05] Oh, yeah. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. Have you ever done it? What? [48:10] Bull riding? Yeah. No. No, I told you I would never do that. I thought you were just telling the other people not to do it. No, no. I wouldn't. No, no, no, no, no. I have a healthy respect for animals. Yeah. Especially big ones. I think people get super delusional. We also get super delusional when we compare size. Like if you say, oh, a monkey's smaller than me. That thing will fucking kill you. I know. Don't get crazy. It'll pick your eyes out, right? Oh, they'll rip your face apart. Yeah. There's a crazy video of this guy in India. [48:38] who's sitting down and he lets this monkey like sit on his lap and [48:42] And he's like being all calm with the monkey. And then the monkey just decides to tear a giant chunk off his scalp. And the way it does it, it just bites his head and just yanks like a football-sized piece of meat off this guy's head. And there's no stopping it. There's no stopping it when it starts happening. You don't know how strong they are. Yeah. Imagine being so strong you could just rip someone's skin clean off their head. [49:06] And this is like a little thing, a little 30-pound monkey. It looks adorable. Yeah, and he thought he was being cute. It's like, I'm going to be peaceful. I won't play it. I don't know if she wants to play it. Oh, yeah, no, I can't watch it. You want to watch it? No, I don't. You can watch it. Yeah, I'll look away. So he lets this thing sit on his lap. [49:22] And then it just decides to bite his head. Look at it real quick. [49:27] Oh, my gosh. He's missing a giant chunk off his head. Oh, my gosh. [49:31] God. Yeah. Yeah. So he's scarred for life.

[49:34] It was a dumb decision. You let that thing dominate you. He didn't understand what he was doing. No. You let that thing get on top of him, and the thing just decided for no reason. He just bite his head. [49:45] Now, we used to have a pet emu. [49:47] Ooh. [49:48] They're the dumbest birds, by the way. They are so dumb. Their heads are tiny, so their brain must be – and the rest of them is big. So you just had this emu, like, coming at you every day. Wow. Wow. [50:02] It wasn't relaxing. I got to the point where I had to walk outside with a shovel. [50:07] Just to protect yourself from the emus? That's crazy. I have a friend who has ostriches. Are they nicer? I wonder if they're nicer. Nope. He says the same thing. He hates them. He has this big ranch in Texas and he got ostriches. He's like, dude, I hate these things. Look at that face. No, it's terrible. They're mean. They tried to bite us on Fear Factor, too. We had an episode where they had to drink a whole ostrich egg, a raw ostrich egg. But we had ostriches in the background. They started just fucking with people, like biting their heads. Yeah. [50:37] Yeah, I'll pack you. You know what else is dumb? This lady was a falconer. That's what they're called, right? [50:43] Falconer. Falconer, when they trained at Falcons. Yeah, that's Bobby. Bobby wrote the book. Yes. Oh, so this lady, she had a golden eagle. She had a couple of... Falcons are the most fascinating... [50:55] But then she had an owl. [50:57] And she said owl is there. First of all, one misconception is that owls are smart. She goes, they are so dumb. They're the dumbest birds next to emus. Only emus are dumber than dumber than owls. I didn't know that. I was like, really? That's cool. Why?

[51:11] Like, why do we have this, you know, idea that they're white pollute? Remember? That they're very wise. Yeah. Why do we think they're wise? I mean, he's counting how many licks it takes to get to the center of a chichiro pop. Remember? Yes. But he could never get to it. So maybe we should have learned. Yeah. Right. This guy's full of shit. Yeah. He's full of shit. He's a fake professor. We've had some owls in our day with Bobby. Oh, pets? Yeah. I mean, yeah. Is this Bobby? No. No. This is someone. I saw this going around the other night. What is this? Is that his Falcon? [51:42] You can't see where it is. Whoa. That looks like an eagle. He sees it from way up there. Is that an eagle or a hawk? What does that say? It doesn't say. I don't know if it said specifically. Again, it's another Facebook link. They had a golden eagle. The golden eagle is amazing. But it kept trying to land. We had a little campfire outside. It kept trying to land on the fire. [52:00] That's weird. Why is this bird so stupid? That looks like a hawk. Yeah, it looks like a hawk. Yeah. So this lady, she had hawks and falcons, and she's like, the problem with hawks is as soon as, like, you let them loose, they immediately find something to kill. [52:16] She's like, they just, everything that's near them, they kill. She goes like, this sucker kills birds. He kills squirrels. Like, you let the owl go, the owl just like goes over there. He'll come back to you. The eagle, the same thing. Not the hawks. The hawks are like, it's time to kill. No, that's what they do. It's weird. Like I said, Bobby... [52:35] Loves hawks and falcons. And he will... I went hawking with him once. How do you do that? Well, you...

[52:44] You have these... They do it in twos, like these two... [52:48] birds. Are they his birds? Yes. So he's trained these birds? He's trained them and the other. That's kind of a crazy thing to be good at. It's a very crazy, but look, even since he was young, but so it's pretty fascinating because you have to do it when, after the leaves have fallen from the [53:10] that hunt together and they go up into the trees and then it's, [53:16] It's really beautiful at first for me. Until the carnage. So they start going from tree to tree, and they're communicating with each other. Oh, wow. And they'll see a bunny, cute, sweet. You see where this is going? And they see a bunny down there, and they go, and they go, and one of them... [53:35] does something, and then the other one swoops down and grabs it, and they just... [53:40] Tear it apart, and the next thing you know, it's just, you know, bunny guts. Yeah. Yeah. So it's cute until then, but it's pretty fascinating to watch them do it. There was some kind of a war in my backyard that was going on for a while, and I don't know what animal was doing it, but I found a bunch of beheaded hawks. Wow. Yeah, I don't know what bird was killing the hawks, but they'll kill the hawk and rip its head off. Ask Bobby. He will know. I bet. He will know. I assume it was something bigger. [54:10] But, yeah, they're big already. It's hard to imagine what. An owl. Owls eat hawks.

[54:15] I'm really – but are they fast enough to get an owl as fast? Owls are silent. And the thing about owls is there's a really interesting video that you could find where they take a bunch of different birds and they have them fly from point A to point B. And then they have a sound meter. And the sound registers the decibels of their flight. What they make. Owls, it's almost completely silent. They're so silent. They're so sneaky. [54:45] it's night vision, the camera. [54:48] And you see this owl swooping up on a hawk's nest and snatches a hawk right out of the nest. Oh, my God. I wonder. It comes out of nowhere. That's weird. Like, you see eyes in the distance. Yeah, it's really weird. I don't think I've ever seen an owl in flight. [55:04] In real life you mean? Oh, I did. Is it only at night? [55:09] Yes. I've only seen him fly at night. But where I live, one time I was driving home and there was this owl that was right on the side of the road. And as I was driving, he took off with a rabbit in his talons and then just decided he didn't want to carry this rabbit anymore and let it go. Like maybe it was dangerous because the rabbit was kind of big. And then the rabbit dropped in the middle of the road. So I pulled the car over and I got out and I looked at this like gutted rabbit and this owl who had just jacked this rabbit and then just decided. [55:39] He, I'm assuming it was an aggressive male owl. It might have been a female protecting its young, or giving its young food. A lot of them was that. I mean, I wonder if the rabbit was diseased or something. No, it was food. No. But that's. The rabbits can't even hear it coming. That's the thing about owls. That's why they're such brilliant nocturnal hunters. Why not? See, you can find that video of the birds, the different sounds between, like there's a hawk, there's an eagle.

[56:09] And then the owl is just, no, it's like nothing. It just swoops in and snatches them. They eat a lot of cats too, by the way. [56:18] Yeah. Yeah. [56:19] I didn't know that. Yeah, a friend of mine found – there was an owl nest, and he found like six cat collars in the nest. [56:27] Oh, I always just assumed it was coyotes. It is a lot of coyotes, but it's also owls. Owls kill a lot of people's cats. That is crazy. Yeah, and they can fly with your cat. That's what's crazy. So watch. To fly over a series of super sensitive microphones. [56:45] So that's a pigeon, super loud. I don't know what you're trying to do there. [56:50] Oh, she's... [56:51] - What? - The hawk. [56:53] Thank you. [56:54] Pretty loud Now watch the owl It's Ken's turn Uh uh uh She was [57:03] Shh. [57:04] - Okay. [57:11] Nothing. [57:12] You don't hear anything. [57:14] Isn't that crazy? You don't even hear the wings. Nope. And those are super sensitive microphones. Yeah. Wow. Now see if you can find the video of the owl snatching the hawk out of the nest. [57:23] That's so crazy. I didn't know this. Yeah, owls are super predators. [57:28] Yeah. [57:29] They see so well at night, and they have those big heads. Yeah, then their heads can turn. Crazy eyes. Yeah, watch this. So see those dots in the distance? That's them. Watch this.

[57:39] She's like, "Ah!" [57:41] So [57:41] The other hawk clearly knows what the hell happened. Oh, my God. Snatch. God. Yep. [57:46] Just steals them right out of the nest. [57:48] Owls are big, too. They seem to be... [57:52] work alone. They seem a little lonesome. Yeah, well, you can't fly a flock of owls. But like the hawks, when they hunt, they hunt together, you know, and they're communicating with each other. They make so much noise. [58:06] That's true. They've got a clumsy approach with the owl sneaky. And how about the pigeons? They do not have a chance. So loud. What do they eat? [58:14] That's a good question. [58:16] That's a good question. Is this bird seed or not fake? I know what eats pigeons, though. What? Rats in New York City. That was a crazy video of a rat in New York City grabbing a pigeon and attacking it and eating it. No. Yeah, and dragging it away. You've never seen that? [58:30] I like that you think that's what I'm looking at online. What are you looking at online? Fashion tips? It's not that. If you want to live in a big city, that's the nature that you get. You get rats and pigeons. There are a lot of rats in the D.C. [58:47] Rats kill people. Yeah, if they catch them slipping, they're close enough where they can grab them. [58:52] It's disgusting. Oh, rats are disgusting. Have you ever watched that documentary on Netflix called Rats? No. Whoa. I would never. You should. No, God, no. It's a game changer. No. It's so nutty. No. When you find out that the biomass of rats in New York City is roughly equal to the biomass of people.

[59:14] Ew. Meaning the weight of all the people in New York City is roughly equal to the weight of all the rats in New York City. That's gross. But you lived in New York. Is that accurate? [59:22] I think that's accurate. [59:24] It might be the numbers. It might be the same number of people as there are rats. But you didn't have a problem when you lived there? I didn't live there. I lived in New Rochelle, which was a suburb. That's nice. Westchester. I was a road comedian and I needed a parking spot. I couldn't afford to park in New York City. It's too hard. It was like whatever it was for a parking spot was like half my rent. I was like, I can't afford that. Also, I don't like it. I don't like being stacked on top of people like that. [59:54] friends who live there they're like yeah i don't even know my neighbors i'm like this guy right across six feet away from you don't even fucking know him that's kind of crazy no there are always people upstairs like banging around yeah [1:00:05] Moving furniture. [1:00:07] Not interesting. Not your vibe. So here it is. For the big picture comparison, 8.3 million humans at 70 kilograms each are about 508,000 metric tons of human. So rats at roughly 0.102% of human biomass in New York City, even though they're extremely visible. [1:00:25] Ew. [1:00:26] Oh, so it's only like less than a percent? [1:00:30] Wait a minute. Well, they're... [1:00:32] Tiny. I mean, compared to. So the number of rats is the number of rats the same. Is that what I'm getting wrong? [1:00:40] An estimated about 3 million rats in New York City, but there's like 10 million people. That's disgusting. But I don't think they really know.

[1:00:50] Yeah, how could they know? I think they're probably underestimating it because underneath the city is where all the rats live. There's no way they're doing an accurate count of all the rats. [1:01:00] LA? Oh, I know what I screwed up on. This is what I screwed up on. It's actually ants with the biomass of ants on earth. [1:01:08] I think that's true. I think the biomass of ants on Earth is roughly equal to the biomass of people. [1:01:14] The things that are going on inside your head are insane. [1:01:17] That is a kooky number, though. Yeah, it is a kooky number. We might find out that was wrong, too. I think it's right, though. [1:01:23] Is that what it is? [1:01:24] Amen. [1:01:24] But I feel like L.A.D. are aggressive and huge. [1:01:30] Oh, okay. That's not true either. Well, uh... [1:01:33] Yeah. Is that right? [1:01:34] What is that? Get rid of that little source thing. I can't. It's not showing. It's unblocking. Oh, there it goes. [1:01:42] 20 krigillion? [1:01:44] I've never seen that word. I'm either. 20 quadrillion individuals worldwide. That's the number of ants. [1:01:51] Wow. I mean... So it's 20% of human dry biomass. What does that mean after you peed? [1:01:57] And more than all the wild birds and mammals combined. That's crazy. [1:02:02] There's more weight from ants than all the mammals do. [1:02:06] and birds combined. [1:02:09] That's crazy. That is crazy. That is crazy. I have them in my backyard, and they're leafcutter ants. No, they're cool. They're cute. They carry all those little tiny... It's weird. It's like, how do you guys know? How do you know to do this? And they work together. They work together. Yeah. Well, they have these... Have you ever seen what the leafcutter ant colonies look like under the surface? No. So they take them, and they... Unfortunately, they do a genocide on the leafcutter ants for science.

[1:02:39] And they fill up their entire colony with cement. And so they show what the structure. You mean when they were studying? Yes. Okay. Well, this is how they find out. You have to kill everybody and turn them into concrete. And so this enormous leaf cutter colony that's underground, then they dig it up and only the cement is left. And it's bananas. It's so vast. Like little tunnels? They have fermentation tubes. [1:03:09] have a tunnel that goes up the surface so it can get air. That's crazy. So this is it. They fill up. This is the leaf cutter ant colony. Look at the ones on the outside going, how the fuck? [1:03:20] My cousin's in there. They are freaking out. Yeah, they're freaking out. And so then they have to excavate and they dig out this area. And it is absolutely massive. So these are, that's the concrete that. Exactly. [1:03:35] So the concrete that's left is what the colony actually looks like underground. It's enormous. It's like the size of a house. [1:03:41] Like, look at that. It's so impressive. What do they have to do with these stupid fucking ads that you can't even get rid of that cover a quarter of your screen? But look, pause that real quick. [1:03:51] Look at that. That is crazy. Bananas. Absolutely bananas. But those are... That a tiny little ant and all of his friends can make something like that. I like that they're all friends. They're all friends. I think that there are some that are like, I hate that asshole. Yeah, probably. He's so lazy. He's a lazy bitch. We're all working our asses off and he's just over there like taking it easy. Well, there's some ants where the female will find the male and they cut his legs off, his arms and legs off, and then carry him...

[1:04:21] To the colony so that he could breed. [1:04:26] Find that. Which ant is that? Yeah, they find him, and they cut his arms and legs off so he can't go anywhere. [1:04:32] And just the one thing. Wow. Yeah. You think he thinks it's an honor? I don't think he thinks. Right? How can he? I don't know. I think they're almost like little robots, little biological robots. It seems like they... [1:04:47] are working together and coming up with plans and, you know, [1:04:51] landscapes and... [1:04:53] But the thing is, this is a universal thing. This is what's really weird. Like here we are in Texas, but there's probably leafcutter ants right now in Florida. There's probably leafcutter ants right now all over the world. [1:05:05] And they're all doing a similar thing underground. But leafcutter, so they're completely different than, say, red ants? Yeah. I mean, there's a bunch of different kind of ants. But the thing that differentiates leafcutter ants is that they go to trees. They chop off their leaves. They take these little pieces of it, and then they carry it back into their leafcutter ant colony. And then they have all these places where they store the leaves, and the leaves ferment, and they kind of rot. And then they have air pipes that go up to the surface. [1:05:35] Super, super complex. Wow. And it just makes you think like what – how do they know to make this chamber and then a passageway to the chamber? Right. And how do they all know? Right. All over the world. Right. It's very weird. It's a very weird thing that they do. But I have them in my yard and I just sit there and watch them. I can only find stuff about them amputating the limbs for –

[1:05:57] Like saving their lives, not breeding. It was a specific kind of ant. I typed it in four different times. All I could get was that. [1:06:04] Queen ants will amputate their wings afterwards, but I didn't see anything about... [1:06:09] cutting off a male's limbs and dragging them from breeding. It's just they all do it to... [1:06:14] Address wounds. [1:06:16] I wish I could remember what it was. It was a specific kind of ant. I'm going to go to town on that. It's just a ruthless world of insects. We're lucky they're little. Because they're smart. Well, you don't think they think. You think they've got some sort of... [1:06:34] activity. I think they have activity, but I think they're operating on a program. They don't have feelings. I don't think they have any feelings. No, I definitely don't think they have feelings. [1:06:46] Is it... [1:06:47] I mean, if like a praying mantis was the size of a German shepherd, we'd have a real problem. Because they're vicious. They would kill you. 100%. You wouldn't be able to get away from them. [1:06:56] Do you think they have feelings? I don't think so. [1:06:59] I think they're the scariest life form. [1:07:02] to me. Why? Because they're so strong for their size. [1:07:05] They're way, way, way. Like, you can't even – like, I've seen praying mantis snatch hummingbirds off of a bird feeder and kill them. [1:07:14] Are you serious? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. They wait on a bird feeder. They sit there like this, and they just wait. And they don't move. They don't move. And the hummingbird doesn't recognize them. The hummingbird comes over, eats out of the bird feeder, and just snatches them. And the bird's way bigger than the mantis, and the mantis can hold on to the hummingbird. Where did they take it? Where did they take it from? Just kill it and eat it right there.

[1:07:35] Really? [1:07:36] Sure. But aren't they small? Exactly. That's why we're lucky that they're really small because if they were the size of like a dog, they would 100% be able to kill you. [1:07:46] Just like that monkey is like super strong. Well, if a mantis was the size of that monkey, the monkey would have no chance. That mantis would just snatch it and just start eating it. That's a good point because that guy – because a monkey must look at a man and think that guy is bigger than me, but I don't care. I'm going for it. Yeah. Well, I don't think they have any respect for people. I think their interactions with people are that people are soft and that they're scared of them. [1:08:10] And so that's how they... What's the monkey going to do with the scalp? You know what I mean? See, look at that mantis. See him sitting there? [1:08:17] Yeah. The hummingbird doesn't know what's going on. He's just motionless. [1:08:23] And so as the hummingbird gets close, try to get a little water. [1:08:29] Oh, no. And watch how it snatches it to it so fast. I know. [1:08:32] Watch it right there. [1:08:34] Bang. [1:08:35] Gotcha. Oh, [1:08:37] Look at the size of the bird. I mean the body mass of the bird has got to be a lot more than the mantis. And the mantis is just holding on to it definitively. Like it has no chance. Oh, the guy knocked it loose. Yeah. [1:08:50] What a bitch. That is so crazy. Really crazy. [1:08:55] It just gets it. [1:08:57] So there's other ones where you see the mantis like hanging on and eating it. [1:09:01] They're incredible little creatures. Is that what they mostly eat? It's hummingbirds? No, they eat all kinds of stuff. But this one is just sitting there eating a hummingbird. Ew. The other weird thing is the amount that they can eat. Yeah, that's why. It looks like a tiny twig. Exactly. How can it eat a hummingbird? There's a video. Well, there's one Instagram page that I follow that's just mantises eating a bunch of different bugs. Really? That's what you follow? Yeah.

[1:09:31] Is it relaxing or is it fascinating? It's fascinating. It just like gets your mind off of politics. Just weird. Weird to watch this creature and it eats a roach that's like bigger than it. And it eats the whole thing. [1:09:43] All like, like this, this guy just gets this roach. Look at that roach. He's just gonna chew through that entire roach. And that sucker's still alive for the beginning. He just eats his head and then he stops being alive and then he just goes right through him. Like, look at this. This is nuts. And then do you think it doesn't eat again for a long time, like snakes? Probably. Probably doesn't have to eat. Ew! That's so gross. Just eat its legs. [1:10:08] And it keeps going and it eats the entire thing. Like there's nothing left of that roach. [1:10:13] And that roach is as big as him. Like, where'd it go? How are you doing that? I don't know. You ever see a fat praying mantis? No. They don't exist. [1:10:21] I hardly see them. [1:10:22] Oh, but I haven't been looking. Look, there's the page. Yeah, you have a highlights reel on it. You have a highlights reel. [1:10:32] That's hilarious. It's called cryptic mantis. It's just all of them eating. Is that what the name of it is? What is it? Yeah, yeah. Cryptic, yeah, cryptic with a K, mantis. And their eyeballs are crazy. Yeah, it's a weird animal. I mean, if that insect was big, it would be a real problem.

[1:10:52] it. [1:10:53] Ooh. [1:10:54] I mean, that's like you eating a poodle. It's crazy. It just eats the whole thing in one sitting. Just the whole thing. The whole poodle. The little paws. The nose, the head, eyeballs, the tail, everything. It just eats everything. Ew. [1:11:06] Yeah, but that exists in nature. I mean we're playing a totally different game. Our game is – we're soft and – Yeah. Yeah, look at that thing. Yeah. [1:11:18] A Peruvian dragon mantis. Yeah, imagine that was like big. Imagine if that thing was like the size of a giraffe. It would be a giant problem. It just runs into a city and eats everybody. Sounds like a movie. [1:11:29] Does. [1:11:31] That's how actresses think. [1:11:34] That sounds like a great movie. I could be the scientist. [1:11:39] The man just gets stuck in a tube with a guy's head. Yeah. [1:11:45] something like that. Dum, dum, dum. Like The Fly. Remember that Jeff Goldblum movie? Yeah, of course. That movie was great. Of course. And that was a remake of an earlier one. There was an earlier The Fly movie, which was a lot weirder. [1:11:58] Really? Well, it was weird for the time because the guy had like a weird costume on. He had a fly head on but like a person's body. But the fly was cool because you see Jeff Goldblum. That's the original fly. Oh. So like a one human hand, one fly hand. [1:12:13] But the gold blue one was great. No, I loved it. That's 1958. So this guy just had like a mask on. He's like a regular dude with a mask. [1:12:21] I'm the fly. You know? But I got a hand. But the Goldblum one was cool because you see, like, him start to slowly turn mad. Yes. And his mannerisms. And he's so great. He got weird spikes start poking out of his skin. He's like, what is this? Mm-hmm. Yeah, he didn't realize that a fly had gotten in there with him and they'd match DNA. Jeff Goldblum's great. Oh, he's great.

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[1:16:11] It's a zombie movie, essentially. Like a disease sweeps over the ground. But in that movie, there's... [1:16:18] There's CGI lions in New York City, and they look so vague. They look bad. Oh, really? Yeah. And what was that? That was like 2010? [1:16:29] Was it even? I feel like it was earlier than that. When was I Am Legend? [1:16:34] 2007. Okay, but go ahead. You were going to say why. [1:16:37] Because you know what a lion looks like. [1:16:40] You don't really know what a dinosaur looks like. Yeah, yeah. So your brain doesn't register that, oh, that looks fake. Right, right. Yeah. So when you see the T-Rex when he comes over the fence, and also the way they shot it, like Spielberg is a genius. Yeah. The way they shot it at night, and it's kind of like in the jungle, so it's partially obscured. You ever seen the scene where the T-Rex emerges for the first time when the kids are in the car? Oh, you need to see this. I have so many things to look up to. [1:17:10] How have you not seen this movie? I don't know. The original Jurassic Park is one of my favorite movies ever. Okay. I loved it. I'm going to have to watch it. [1:17:17] I loved it because for me, it... [1:17:21] It's a real potential possibility. I'm friends with the guys over at Colossal. Those are the guys that brought back the Direwolf. [1:17:28] Like they have actual dire wolves now. What is a dire wolf? A dire wolf is an extinct breed of wolf. And I know there's geneticists out there that are freaking out. That's not a dire wolf. It's not. What they've done is just taken the characteristics of a dire wolf and recreated it. Are they small? No. They're very big. They're bigger than a regular wolf. And they're weird looking. They have a mane. And they're all white. They're really cool looking. And they walk on all fours. Oh, yeah, yeah. That's a dumb question. Of course.

[1:17:58] werewolf in London. He walks on all fours too. That's from American Werewolf in London. No, that's a direwolf. [1:18:06] Oh, wow, they're really pretty. So that's the colossal guys. Yeah, they're really interesting. It's really interesting because you see them. Well, it's really pretty. And when I saw them, it was in the summertime, and they apparently – [1:18:18] They were about six months old, and they're going to get a lot larger. [1:18:22] Oh, wait. So they came back from extinction? Yeah, they brought them back from extinction through genetic engineering. That's crazy. They have dire wolf DNA. They have dire wolf DNA. They mixed it with gray wolf DNA. I don't know how they did it. They could tell me. I'll forget five minutes later. But whatever it is, that's a different thing that ever existed before since the dire wolves went extinct. Wow. Yeah. [1:18:48] these guys, but that someone, some scientific asshole will make a Jurassic Park. [1:18:53] will say, hey, we found an island that we can buy that's 50,000 square acres or whatever it is, and we're going to take and put a few dinosaurs on this island and make it so the people can go visit it. That's possible. [1:19:08] People could do that. [1:19:10] Well, it sounds... [1:19:12] possible, but it doesn't sound worse than [1:19:16] like [1:19:17] AI things that can be done on your computer and [1:19:21] to our [1:19:22] Brains. [1:19:23] Like, like, you're more afraid of AI than you are of dinosaurs. That's rational, because AI is more likely. Yeah, because if somebody said, hey, you could go visit this island that has dinosaurs, at least I'd have a choice. And I'd be like, no, thanks. But like,

[1:19:40] I will sometimes, if you're just talking about a poncho. [1:19:45] A poncho? Yeah. Like a poncho, you know, like a little blanket as a hole. Got it. [1:19:51] It's a word that doesn't come up much, but... [1:19:54] When it came up. [1:19:55] Just talking to my friend about a poncho. [1:19:58] And then all of a sudden on my phone, there are like lots of ads. Ads for ponchos. Yeah. So it's – that to me – I wonder if I'm going to get some now. You are. Poncho ads. You're going to get some poncho ads. I've never had a poncho ad. If I get one right now, I'll know. [1:20:11] Oh, yeah. I know. You are we're all dialed in somehow. Well, that's for sure. So I would rather have I would rather have I'd rather be running away from a. . . [1:20:21] I would rather die from being squashed by a dinosaur than... [1:20:28] just go crazy from [1:20:32] thoughts of things that have [1:20:35] been put into my head from AI. Does that make sense? Sort of. I don't want to die either way. [1:20:41] I don't want to die by AI. If you had to choose. I don't want to die by dinosaur. [1:20:46] If you had to choose one or the other. I really don't think either one is preferable. I think [1:20:51] The dinosaur is more unlikely than... [1:20:54] The AI one, it seems. [1:20:56] Very possible. There's not... [1:20:59] there's not a real good road map that I've seen. [1:21:03] Where, um... [1:21:04] AI- [1:21:06] is not completely disruptive in every aspect of our life.

[1:21:10] And the only people that do provide that roadmap seem to be profiting off of AI. Yeah. Yeah. [1:21:15] You know, some people think it's going to increase productivity. Like Elon thinks it's going to increase productivity to the point where we'll have – [1:21:20] No one will have to work anymore. [1:21:22] And you'll have what they call universal high income. That's what he's calling it. But. [1:21:27] then you have this real problem of what do people do with their time? Right. Like how do so many people really – [1:21:34] identify with whatever they do as a job. Right. And it gives you a sense of purpose, right? Most people need a sense of purpose to have a... [1:21:44] Feel happy. They also like providing for themselves. Like people like the fact that you work all week. You come home. You get your paycheck. And, you know, now you can go to the restaurant. You can go and it's all your money. Yeah. You bought it. You worked hard. And now, you know, you bought a whatever you bought. Like you paid for it. A poncho. You paid for it with your labor. The most beautiful poncho in the world. Yeah. People like being good at something, right? Yeah. If you're the guy that, you know, if there's something going on, you need something fixed [1:22:14] calls him up because she knows that he knows how to fix things. Yeah. [1:22:18] What do we do with Henry? When Henry loses, we say, your job's useless. You're basically like a guy who owns Blockbuster Video. Well, is that like very, very wealthy people that are born into money that don't have to work, that don't have to work? [1:22:35] That's even worse, right? Because that's like very wealthy people that are born into money have never had to prove themselves. They've always been more special than everybody else. If everybody has universal high income, that won't be a unique thing.

[1:22:49] So optimistically, I would say the optimistic take on it is if that was the case, what the real positive aspect is you wouldn't have to work for your basic needs. And what you could decide to do instead is pursue something you're really interested in. Like maybe – Become an expert in something. Yeah. Or study a bunch of different languages all day. But will people? Some people will. Yeah. Yeah. [1:23:14] But I think that's always the case. That's true. Some people would take advantage of a situation, like some people during COVID. Yeah. They said, okay. [1:23:21] Some people just became alcoholics and they lost everything. Some people said, I'm going to start a side business. I'm going to start an online business because an online business, they can't shut down during a pandemic. And a lot of people become very profitable because of that. [1:23:38] Why do we need to just work all day? If you're a laborer, is that really the only use of your time? Like if you're doing it for food, I get it. You're doing it for housing, I get it. It's a good job. It's a solid, honest way to make a living. But if you don't have to do that anymore and then you just get money from the government and from whatever income AI is generating – [1:24:01] Wouldn't you rather play soccer or go do this or whatever your thing is? Yeah. Painting, whatever your thing is. Right. You know, you could find anything. You could find a thing that gives you meaning other than just your work. Right. [1:24:16] Because if you're working in a factory and you're just putting the dial on the...

[1:24:21] box. That's not fulfilling and you're not going anywhere and you're not doing anything. That stuff has only been around for a while, like a small amount of time. [1:24:28] like being a worker in a factory or an office, how long has that even been around? The idea that we can't exist without that being around is crazy. Yeah. Because for thousands and thousands of years, there was no money. [1:24:39] People just like [1:24:40] hunted and fished and traded things and started raising animals. There's no money. You basically just try to stay alive by gathering food. So do you think that [1:24:51] if nobody had to work, the [1:24:54] we could do without money altogether, that money could disappear and then – That's a scary thing because someone's going to have it. There's going to be – But then if there's no value to it. Yeah, but there's always going to be value. [1:25:08] This is the scariest thing. From country to country or worldwide? Everything. The control of resources. Resources are always going to be valuable. It's always going to be valuable to have oil. If you have oil, you can do so many things. [1:25:18] You can make gasoline. You can power things. You make plastics. Everything comes out of oil. Everything is petroleum-based. Even your medicine is petroleum-based. [1:25:26] Yeah, but if nobody was paying you to make it... [1:25:31] So everything is free. That's the idea? How is that possible? Because then no one would want to make a Ferrari. Because the only reason why you would make a Ferrari is because it's hard to get, so it costs a lot of money. Well, if AI is taking over and taking all of those jobs – [1:25:44] and the idea that nobody's going to have to work. [1:25:48] So if nobody has to work, then the cars are still being made.

[1:25:52] Right? Mm-hmm. Maybe. [1:25:55] Oh. Maybe they decide how many cars get made and how many people can have a car. [1:26:02] Wow. [1:26:03] Yeah. This is the real fear. Does everybody need a car? Like Oxford, England just established like this new – they're doing this thing called like 15-Minute Cities. Yeah. [1:26:12] We have like an area where you're allowed to travel to. And if you decide to travel outside of that area, you get a certain amount of them per year. And you get a certain amount of what? Travel passes to leave your area. It was a congestion zone. [1:26:27] Okay, whatever it is. I'm just saying, that's what it was. You go at whatever you want, but whatever it is, it's the government telling you you can't leave an area. And if you leave that area... [1:26:38] It costs you money. So it costs you the equivalent of like $100 a day to leave this area. Wow. If you get over a certain number of them. That's similar to what they did in New York City. However, they stopped it in New York, remember? Yeah. Well, it's crazy. That's why they stopped it because this is the beginning of a terrible trend. So what this is is the beginning of them telling you where you can go and how often you can go. [1:27:00] And this is the government doing it. And the temporary congestion charge, bullshit. They've been proposing stiff like this. It's bullshit. They've been proposing stiff. They want to control people. They want to be able to tell you where you can and can't go. The more they can put restrictions on you, the more they can pass laws that they can profit from. The more they can benefit from whatever control they have over you. The more they can tighten down on it. And England is a great place to do this because they've already gotten things passed through in England.

[1:27:30] except for like murder and rape and a few other things. It's just one judge? It's a judge. It's a judge. [1:27:35] So one person, all the people that are getting arrested for social media abuses, just one person deciding. No, it's different judges. [1:27:42] It's wherever you get brought up, wherever you get arrested for. Right. But one judge. One judge, yes. Just deciding. Exactly. Their fate. Right. Whether they like it or not. Without a doubt, they're going to go with whatever the government wants. And they've arrested 12,000 people over the last year for social media posts just in England. [1:27:59] I know, that's intense. So that's the place where they're, oh, it's a congestion zone. Fuck off. I asked Andrew about it last week. [1:28:06] what we don't know because we're not there. People will get bussed into that area already because it's already congested as fuck. [1:28:13] I don't care. I don't care what's going on. That's Bangladesh. That's New York City. That's a lot of places. That's LA. You don't get to control whether or not people can leave an area. Period. It doesn't matter what you call it. But this was because they closed the road temporarily and so they had to put up some... [1:28:33] It's a terrible precedent. It's like what they did with COVID. They shut down two weeks to stop the spread. And what happened? It lasted a year and a half in L.A. Like, it's not – you don't give them that kind of control. You can't have ever the control to tell people whether they can or can't leave an area. Fuck off. That's crazy. Even their houses. Remember, for a while, like, you weren't even – [1:28:53] You weren't even allowed to go outside. Well, how about that dipshit mayor who was saying usually snitches get stitches, but now they get rewards. Do you remember that? In L.A. they were telling you to turn your neighbors in for having parties? Oh, I don't remember it in L.A., but I remember it in other places.

[1:29:07] States. In L.A. The mayor of L.A. That's crazy. What was that kook's name? [1:29:12] It was the mayor of L.A. He was – he thought he was on the right side of everything until Black Lives Matter started protesting outside his house every day for like a month. Right, right. [1:29:21] Garcetti. Oh, Garcetti. That creep. That guy, he... [1:29:25] He, find that thing, that snitches usually get stitches, but now they get rewards. Like, literally said that. That is so crazy. Snitches. Snitching on your neighbor for having too many people over. That is so crazy. The people were exactly five feet apart from each other. [1:29:43] continues to let us know where those folks are. [1:29:46] If you've observed recurring violations of the Safer at Home Order, [1:29:49] Please continue to let us know at coronavirus.lacity.org. [1:29:54] slash business violation. You know the old expression about snitches. Well, in this case, snitches get abused. [1:30:01] rewards. We want to thank you for turning folks in and making sure we are all safe. [1:30:08] It would be cool if that lady who was doing sign language was just faking it. Sometimes nobody knows sign language. And she's still going after he's still talking. He's done talking and she's just like, hey, over here. Well, no, but, you know, very few people know American sign language. So she could have been faking it. Like a bunch of people have been faking it before and they get caught. [1:30:24] No. Oh, yeah, yeah. There was a guy next to Obama when Obama was giving a speech once, and this guy was completely making it up. Come on. He was a con man. Come on. He tricked himself into being three feet from Obama.

[1:30:38] No security screening. Because nobody knows how to validate or verify. I don't believe it was in America. Verify it. [1:30:44] I think it was somewhere else. Oh, my God. I took American Sign Language. So they left this guy on stage, and you can tell he's just making things up. Oh, my God. [1:30:52] He's like fake sign language. You've never seen this? No. Find the guy's fake sign language with Obama. How did they... Did he get busted during the speech? Well, there's sign language people. This guy right here. [1:31:04] So... [1:31:06] This guy on the right... [1:31:07] Yeah, that guy? He's completely making shit up. So wait for Obama to get... [1:31:13] So this is the Mandela Memorial. [1:31:15] When does Obama come out? [1:31:17] There's one with Obama next to the guy. Yeah. [1:31:20] So that was what it was. So that's the guy. See? He's looking right next to him. Oh, my gosh. The guy was like completely faking sign language. He was just a kook. [1:31:28] He was like, I can do it. Yeah, I'm good at it. Let me up there. [1:31:33] That is crazy. People are nuts. [1:31:37] People are nuts. You should know that as much as anybody. Listen, I've learned it. [1:31:42] Over and over again. And they're even nuttier at a level that I didn't know. [1:31:49] What was the big turning point for you? Was it just being attached to Bobby and watching all that? [1:31:55] It was Bobby running. [1:31:58] for president. [1:32:00] It is. [1:32:00] was... [1:32:02] It's so crazy. I mean, I really got a crash course in...

[1:32:09] elections. [1:32:10] And... [1:32:12] It is the craziest shit goes on. [1:32:15] And everybody is... [1:32:18] That's all they... [1:32:19] Think about, you know, the people that are involved. They get up in the morning. How can I... [1:32:24] Fuck this guy over. I'm going to say... And they have these people that... [1:32:29] their only job. [1:32:31] is to start a rumor, is to say something, put something in the press that... [1:32:35] It doesn't matter if it's true or not. If somebody else picks it up, they celebrate for the whole day. And it's like that. [1:32:45] whatever it was, the thing that they said. [1:32:48] gets picked up, that is like a day of celebration. It's a celebration from the other camps, [1:32:54] And then it's like, [1:32:57] Your camp is now trying to figure out what to do about that or... [1:33:04] What kind of damage it's going to do and is it worth – [1:33:07] even fighting, or is it better to just let it wither on the vine? It's just all day, every day, people are... [1:33:16] trying to find the craziest, craziest, doesn't matter anything, [1:33:23] It doesn't matter if it's about certainly if it's about politics or not. [1:33:27] It's more exciting if it's something personal. Oh, he's wearing lifts in his boots. Oh, she's. And it's just. But that is an important thing. Someone's wearing lifts in their boots like, hey, we've. How are you going to govern this country? How did you get so tall? Out of nowhere. It is absurd. It's a weird. It's absurd. It's an absurd behavior. But you don't like that.

[1:33:51] Well, who gives a shit? Women wear heels. Right. But if a man does it and he's lying about it, I think that as a short man – Well, did anybody ask – [1:34:00] I think they did. I think they asked. You're talking about a homeboy from Florida. Yeah, I think they asked and he denied it. But it was pretty clear. There was like one podcast or one talk show, one of those late night shows where he walked out. And I was like, why? You're walking like a horse. Like you're clearly on your tippy toes. This is crazy. You've added like five inches to your height. [1:34:20] This is bananas and it's all inside your boots. And then that's what everybody's talking about. But don't do that. [1:34:25] Don't do that. No one's going to talk. That's like a self-inflicted wound. But then it's like, oh, well, he's too short to govern the country. That's crazy. If people think that, that's on that. Oh, people are crazy. Yeah, but they're not going to think you're taller than you really are. Like, they've seen you for fucking decades. He's been in the public eye forever, and then all of a sudden he gains four inches. Everybody's like, what's going on? Like, people know. You can't. They're scrutinizing everything. You know, you can't pull the wool over their eyes that hard. [1:34:55] thing where you're so worried about what people think about you that you're willing to wear lifts in your shoes. It's and again, I say this as a short man, you know, it's like it's important. Like you just be authentic. That's because you're not being authentic. That's who you are. Yeah. You're not going to change people's opinion of you if you wear a fucking stilt. But what does it matter? Like if like if a guy had a toupee and he was running for president, would you be like, nah, no, I'm

[1:35:24] Because it might make him feel better to... Fuck your feelings. Take that fucking wig off. [1:35:33] You should run a campaign. Especially if you're wearing a wig and all of a sudden you put it on and you expect me to ignore it. That's crazy. [1:35:42] That's crazy. If you're bald forever and then all of a sudden you wear one. And then the day that you start wearing it. [1:35:46] Yeah. There must be a day in somebody's life when it's like, I'm just going to go for it and hope nobody... [1:35:52] Well, there's a bunch of like really smart people who have them on, which is really weird. [1:35:57] This episode is brought to you by Blue Chew, the number one brand for better sex. Blue Chew just dropped something crazy. Blue Chew Gold. Blue Chew has made it easy for 5 million men to get hard, but now they've made it easier to get horny too. Blue Chew Gold gets your brain and body on the same page fast. Other options just help blood flow, but gold combines [1:36:27] and two, boost arousal and intimacy. So for a good time, go to BlueChew.com. And we've got a special deal for our listeners right now. When you buy two months of Blue Chew Gold, you get the third free with promo code ROGAN. You also receive an additional 10% off plus free overnight shipping on your first order. Visit BlueChew.com for more details and important safety information. Blue Chew is number one for a reason.

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[1:38:42] I tried minoxidil and all the other different things. It's like you don't have any control over it. And apparently now, like supposedly UCLA has a new remedy that just grows your hair back. And it's in tests right now. And they're going to be able to put it on your – it's probably going to make a trillion dollars. Is it that they – is it like a helmet that you put on your hair? No, no, no. It's like some kind of medication that you topically apply and it grows hair. It grows hair on mice and apparently it's going to work. I mean it's kind of amazing that they haven't cracked that code yet. [1:39:12] But one day they will. And if the UCLA thing, then the wig business goes out of business. Then would you take it? No. Even if I did, I would shave my head. Why? 100%. I love it. I love having to shave head. I love not having to talk to a barber. I don't give a shit what I look like. You would rather shave your head than have a meaningless conversation for 10 minutes. 100%. Do you shave it every day? Like every morning? I shaved it this morning, but I shave it every couple days. [1:39:42] If I said, if you take this from where you'll have... [1:39:46] A full head of hair, you'd be like, nothing. Maybe I would take it and then just buzz that down and have it really short. But I would have it stubble. Just so you know it's there. Show everybody. I could get my hair back. If I wanted to. I could do it if I wanted to. I don't know. But I could. But I used to love, when I had a full head of hair, I used to love having a crew cut. It was my favorite thing. [1:40:04] Wow, interesting. Yeah. I just love the feeling of it, like when you rub it and you get all the stubble up there. I like that. I just don't want to think about it. It's texture.

[1:40:16] I don't want to think about it. That's it. But when I was in television, I thought about it. I was like, I can't lose my hair. That's why I got a hair transplant. I was like, I'm starting to make money. But that didn't work or you didn't like it? It works for a little while. But the way I describe it, I was like, [1:40:29] You take – it's like you take people from a neighborhood where everybody is really healthy and you move them to a neighborhood where everyone is dying. So all your neighbors die. So all the other hair that was supposed to fall out, that falls out. And the only stuff that's left is the stuff you put there. And it looks kind of ratty and sparse. What do you take it from? The back? Yeah, they take it from the back of your head and move it to the top. Yeah. A lot of guys go to Turkey now. I know. They do it and they get their whole head redone. But sometimes you get a weird hairline where it's like a little too low and crazy. [1:40:59] weird you're like what's going on with your hair that's hard yeah well because how do you know because you're under you're under well you you probably think it's a good idea and the doctor thinks it's a good idea and he convinces you you're like it's gonna look good he's like it's gonna look amazing and next thing you look like a wolf man [1:41:15] Are you out completely when you have that? No. The doctor's talking to you and it's like, I'm going to put one here. [1:41:21] They don't even talk to you. You can watch a movie or something like that. You just sit there and chill. There's videos of guys doing it online. You know I'm not going to watch that. They pluck these little hairs out and stick them in little holes. Yeah. I wonder why more women don't do it. Women do it when women start losing their hair. Yeah. Quite a few of their patients are women. Oh, wow. Because maybe they have alopecia. Yeah. Yeah. And they... [1:41:42] they can't grow it back so they [1:41:44] transplant it. They do. Okay.

[1:41:46] And you're okay with that? Yeah, I'm okay with women wearing wigs, too. [1:41:49] You just don't like men wearing wigs. Nope. I don't like it. [1:41:52] I don't like men wearing lipstick either. Unless you're a singer or someone freaky, some non-binary person. You don't want the guy at the grocery store checking you out. Well, I don't care. [1:42:04] It's okay. You might be a weirdo. You know, you're allowed to be a weirdo. I don't mind being weirdo. But if you want me, you want to be like a – if we're all hanging out and we're going to go out to dinner and you show up wearing lipstick and eyeshadow, I'm like, hey, Bob. Yeah. [1:42:16] What the fuck's going on with your face? Like, if you don't think I'm going to make fun of that, you're crazy. Yeah. OK. So you just make fun of him all night, but you're not so mad that you're not going to go out with him. I mean, it's just it's a nutty choice. But it's like I wouldn't want you being the treasure of the United States. Lipstick on. It's like you remember that guy that was working in the Biden administration? That was a man with lipstick and a shaved head and he was stealing all the women's clothes. [1:42:41] He was stealing women's coals from the airport. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. I mean, listen. That's a crazy person. I think that we're... [1:42:49] few. There was a few. They were hiring him just because they were weird. They were like this is going to make us look woke. [1:42:55] we're going to hire all the right people. It's going to be very inclusive. Okay, great. You're hiring mentally ill people. You're hiring a man who likes to steal women's clothes from the airport. [1:43:06] Yeah, and you're putting him in charge of nuclear energy. I mean, that is – okay, so this goes back to politics, right? Yeah. [1:43:14] So you watch that. And then the next election, it's got a new group of people. And they're weird.

[1:43:20] Right. So it's not like just one side is... [1:43:23] Oh, no, no, no, no. I don't think I think that's a big trap to think that it's only the Republicans or only the Democrats that are weird. No, everybody who wants to do that, the vast majority of them are unhinged because that is not a normal job. No, they're not good at it. That's the other thing. [1:43:40] They're not good at talking. [1:43:42] They're not good at public speaking. [1:43:45] Even the best ones are like – that's why when a guy like Obama or a guy like Clinton comes along, like holy shit. Or Trump. They're so good at like talking to large groups of people and being themselves. So when someone is not good at that, it's like glaringly obvious because most people who are good at that kind of stuff, they don't want that job. Right. That job is horrible. Right. [1:44:09] Right. [1:44:10] That job is crazy. Yeah. [1:44:13] Job's nuts. But then do you have to be good at talking? You do. [1:44:17] You do because it's part of the campaign trail. Well, right. But that's the other thing too is like – [1:44:23] running for something being part of a campaign is so different than actually doing it yeah than being they're completely it's like auditioning it's so much like auditioning but it's completely it's a completely different um different job different skill set yeah yeah yeah so it's like yeah at least auditioning you actually acting in the room yeah [1:44:47] You know, when you're running for president, you're not running for president in front of everybody. This is how I'm going to do it. You're going to pretend to be my chief of staff. Yeah. You're going to be the secretary of defense. And I'm going to put on a play. So I'm going to show you how I would handle it if Iran crossed the line. I would rather that. Yeah. I would like to see a campaign like that where it's just a little mini play. A little mini play. Yeah. Yeah. A little cabinet meeting. Yes. A little Cuban missile crisis right in front of everybody's eyes. That would be. And just to see how everyone would handle it. Yeah.

[1:45:17] Well... [1:45:17] That's why when people pretend to be a president in a film, people go, you know what? He would be a great president. [1:45:23] Like people do that all the time. That's true. That's how Zelensky became the president of Ukraine. [1:45:28] Because he was a good actor. He was an actor as the president in a TV show. And that's why everybody liked him. [1:45:35] Did you know that? I knew that he was an actor, but I didn't know he was playing the president. He was playing the president. He was a comedian. [1:45:43] And he was playing the president in a television show and people loved it. [1:45:47] And they're like, he should be the real president. That's how goofy people are. Well, yeah. That could definitely happen in this country, don't you think? 100 percent. All the people that have played the president, people will be like, yeah, that guy could definitely do it. Martin Sheen? Martin Sheen. 100 percent. People will say, yeah. He could probably be the president right now if he wanted to. Yeah. I mean, if someone like that, like a top-notch actor, really wanted to campaign, everybody would be fucked. Yeah. [1:46:17] about him and his family and blah, blah, blah. And actors, they have thinner skin. [1:46:23] than politicians. Some of them do. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Most of them. Most of them. Cause it's, it's, cause as an actor, you're putting yourself out there all the time and you feel insecure. People are, one person doesn't like you or says that you're horrible. Then it's like, Oh my God. But politicians are like, what else you got? That's it. [1:46:41] Well, they're just used to being full shit. They live in it. [1:46:46] They're comfortable in it. I think that there are some politicians that are true politicians.

[1:46:51] that are authentic and truly working. [1:46:56] To make the country better. Absolutely. That is one thing that I've seen. I think there are people on death row that are innocent. [1:47:07] They're just so few and far between. I just don't think it's most. [1:47:11] I think the reality... What do you think? Why do you think most? Why would most people do it that... [1:47:18] aren't interested in, [1:47:19] truly [1:47:21] you know, making the country better or bettering. [1:47:25] the government? Well, it all depends upon [1:47:28] What is – what's your motivation? Like what are you doing it for? And I think most of them are doing it for the same reason why people become famous. [1:47:39] They're doing it because they want to be special and they want to say the things that people want to hear so that people like them and then they can make money. I think that's why they do it. And then once you get in – here's the thing that seems to be pretty apparent is that once you get in for the most part, you have to adhere to the mindset of all the other people that are in your business. And if you don't, you get – like John Fetterman. Like you get cast out. They hate that guy now. They're mad at him because he says, I think you should probably have ID to vote. [1:48:09] I like John Fetterman. He's great. Yeah. He's a sweet guy. And he says. [1:48:13] he's authentic he says well that guy genuinely worked in charities for his whole life like he genuinely worked in uh doing philanthropy work and like real stuff like he's not a greedy guy he walks around a carhartt hoodie and shorts he went to the fucking inauguration in shorts and a carhartt hoodie and i talked to him when he was there he's like genuinely sweet like in real life

[1:48:43] And unfortunately, he had that stroke, and so it messes with his ability to recall things. So when you talk to him, like on a show, he'll have like a little iPad that translates stuff. Yeah. Just so he can... [1:48:56] recall the question and do it again. But he's a smart guy. He just has a weird problem. But [1:49:03] The thing is like you have to adhere. And if you don't – you're not allowed to have a deviating opinion. If you do, you get cast out. [1:49:11] Like Thomas Massey, you see the same thing in the Republicans. Like anybody that has an opinion that doesn't deviate with the groupthink, you get cast out. They'll call you a traitor. There's so terrible things about you. There's a lot of theatrics. [1:49:23] There's a lot of that, and I think there's a lot of people that are in that business that start off with really good intentions. Yeah. And then you see them slowly give in. They slowly succumb to the weight of what that position is. But, you know, it's not like – [1:49:41] Thank you. [1:49:42] They're making a lot of money. Oh, congresspeople? [1:49:46] You think they are? Oh, yeah. The way they make money is inside of trading, Cheryl. Oh, God, I'm so nice. Oh, it's so ubiquitous. That's the dark, dark secret. It's not even a secret. Is that why they never leave? Well, that's why Nancy Pelosi is 1,000 years old. She's worth $400 million, and she makes $170,000 a year. Make sense out of that? Yeah, it is a little suspicious. Make sense out of that. First of all, if you had $400 million in the bank, would you keep showing up for work if you're 85 fucking years old,

[1:50:16] job that pays $170,000 a year, I'd look at that paycheck every week. I'd be like, I'm good. I'm going to get out of here. [1:50:23] I'm going to go relax on an island somewhere. I'm going fishing. I'm going to go to Mexico and go fishing. This is nuts. I'd be enjoying this money. [1:50:32] Why would you still be working? Because her net worth keeps going up and up and up. You've seen PelosiTracker.com. Have you ever seen that? Yeah, my boys talk about it. It's crazy. She's better at the stock market than Warren Buffett. She's better at the stock market than George Soros. But is it possible that she thinks she is – [1:50:55] moving the needle, [1:50:57] in politics and the right [1:50:59] Way? It's possible. Sure. [1:51:02] It's possible that she convinces herself of that. It's also possible that – [1:51:06] staying in office is the best way to ensure you're not prosecuted. [1:51:11] Well, yeah, because if somebody goes after you, if that's not legal and if you really did have insider information and you bought a bunch of stock and something that you knew that I think there's a real good case that that shouldn't be legal. It seems like it is legal now. [1:51:26] I don't know. Is it legal? I don't think it's a very gray area because the congresspeople are allowed to trade and buy stocks and they most certainly have bought stocks when they knew that a certain market is going to be affected by a decision that only they knew was going to be made. [1:51:43] Yeah. There's a lot of evidence for that. Like that's how you make that much money. There's a lot of them. And it's not a Republican or a Democrat issue. It's red, blue, red, blue. They're all making crazy loot. Not all of them. Like Tulsi Gabbard didn't do it. There's a bunch of people that didn't do it. Yeah. But there's a lot of them that wind up making a ton of loot and they get super defensive about it.

[1:52:04] Well, nobody wants to say, yeah, I did it. Well, tell me how you became worth $400 million. [1:52:14] Yeah. Without providing any product. Yeah. Like if you invented some new mouse that's like better than any other computer mouse. Yeah. Like, oh, I see why you made that money. Congratulations. Yeah. But what'd you do? What'd you do? Most people make $170,000 a year are kind of doing well. [1:52:32] They're either doing well. Probably have a nice car. Probably live in a nice house. Yeah. You're not worth $400 million. No. That would be the rarest of rare people. Imagine if you were making $170,000 and you were working side by side with Bob, and all of a sudden, Bob's buying a fucking Ferrari. He's got his own private jet. He's showing up with his driver. Bob, what are you doing? But, and or, and I don't know the answer to this, but I probably should, aren't there... [1:52:59] Finances? [1:53:00] exposed every year or no? Is that just when you run for president? I don't know. [1:53:04] I mean – [1:53:06] Certainly when you run for president, then they want to see your – they want to audit you or they want to see your tax forms. Yeah, which is cute. But when you look at like the net worth – and it's very difficult to find out what someone's net worth is. [1:53:18] But if you look at the net worth of congresspeople, a lot of them are millionaires. But were they millionaires before they went in? A lot of them weren't. Ilhan Omar, she was in debt before she got into office. Yeah, this is a question, right? Yeah, now she's worth millions. [1:53:33] Kind of odd. Mm-hmm. She's good. She's really good at her job. Got lucky? She's really good at her job. She's really good at her job. I mean, I am seeing, you know, through the lens with which I'm looking. Yeah.

[1:53:49] I've seen a lot of people come in to the administration that have already had a lot of money. So in that case, it feels like they're coming in for the right reason. Right. But when they got in, how much more money did they make once they got in? That's when things get weird. Did you start your own crypto coin and do a pump and dump? Because that's odd. It's odd that that's legal. Yeah. [1:54:12] Isn't it, [1:54:13] And I don't have the answer to this either. You probably would more than... [1:54:17] Anybody. But is there a group out there, a watchdog group that's looking at all of this? That's like, here's another thing I just discovered about this stock that's such and such voted for. There's a lot of people online that do that. There's a lot of independent journalists that do that. But the thing is, it never gets covered in mainstream news. Right. When was the last time you saw mainstream news doing a deep dive on Congress people's income? Never. Never. [1:54:42] Yeah. [1:54:43] It doesn't seem like – because they want to get access to those congresspeople. Yeah. They want them to come on their shows. You know – [1:54:50] It's a weird business. It's a weird business because most certainly when people get into office, they profit immensely. You don't just – so if you're – let's just pretend you're the president. If you become the president, I think the president gets paid – what do they get paid? Like $450,000 a year or something like that? How much does the president – by the way, Trump doesn't take that money. [1:55:12] He doesn't take a dime of it. [1:55:14] 400,000. [1:55:16] But he does have a crypto coin.

[1:55:19] But the point is, it's like... [1:55:21] So you make that money and then you're in office for four years and you go, okay, well, are you going to live like Jimmy Carter? [1:55:27] Because Jimmy Carter lived a simple life until he died. He never profited off of the fact that he was the president. Or are you going to be one of those people that give speeches to banks and you inexplicably make like 300 grand to just talk for an hour, which is bizarre? That seems like a way they can pay you legally. If I was being cynical. [1:55:49] That seems like you did something when you're in office and they made a kind of deal. They were happy about. You're going to go on your boring-ass speaking tour and rake it in. And, you know, sitting on boards, right? It makes me think of the opioid situation with, what's their names? The Sackler. Yeah. Yes. Yeah, there's a lot of that. [1:56:19] They found him. Really? Yeah, when that documentary Painkiller came out on Netflix, which is just so good. Peter Berg did that. It's so good. Not documentary, documentary drama. [1:56:31] Matthew Broderick plays the Sackler. It was really good. Really good. The guy who approved it, apparently he was saying no forever. [1:56:40] They took him to a hotel for like three days. And then he... The Sackler family. Yeah. Yeah. Took the FDA guy. I mean, what did they do in that hotel? I'd like to be a fly on the wall. They closed the doors. Yeah. I don't know what happened. Suddenly...

[1:56:54] And then he got a nice job afterwards where he got paid really well. That's a gross thing that they do where there's this revolving door between the FDA and all these other departments and then these other corporations. So you leave and then you get this amazing job working for the very corporation that you were regulating. Yeah. Like if you were doing a good job, wouldn't they want to have nothing to do with you? Yeah. Like this asshole kept us from making billions of dollars. Yeah. We're going to hire him and give him $2 million in a consulting job, consulting. Yeah. Yeah. [1:57:24] It's kind of a way to pay people off. [1:57:27] Seems like it. Someone like me on the outside. I'm just looking at it logically. Just looking at it from my point of view. Yeah, of course. [1:57:35] Yeah, it seems like it. [1:57:36] That's white. And it's legal somehow or another. [1:57:39] That's a weird loophole that should be closed up. You should not be able to regulate an industry and then leave immediately and go work for said industry. Yes. And make a shit ton of money. Well, right. This is awesome. Because it seems like maybe you guys talked. Maybe somebody was doing something. Maybe somebody talked. That's why a lot of people don't like Bobby. Bobby's like – Well, he calls people out on that stuff. Fucking around with this. Yeah. The Sackler family one is nuts. It is. Because it doesn't seem like they're in trouble. [1:58:07] It doesn't seem like there was a deal, a sweetheart deal, where they were going to give a certain amount of money, a small percentage of the amount that they profited. And then that would also make them immune to prosecution. But then a judge pulled that deal right after the documentary came out or the docuseries came out. But then you never heard another thing about it. No. So let's put this on ice for a little bit. Just everybody shut the fuck up. Another thing I'm going to have to look up tonight. Everybody shut the fuck up. And then it never made it in the news anymore. Yeah. And it just kind of drifted away. Nobody talks about it. But that family –

[1:58:36] is responsible for the death of who knows how many people. Yeah. Ruined who knows how many lives. Yeah. Destroyed families, destroyed children. I mean, think about if your dad's hooked on opiates and you become homeless and you're a child. What kind of fucking crazy path does your life take where it would have never taken that path if your doctor didn't sell your dad something that completely addicts him to it and prisons him? [1:59:02] Right. It imprisons him in a life of just fucking horrible addiction. Well, that's why... [1:59:08] you know, when people talk about conspiracy theories, right? [1:59:12] It's a conspiracy theory until it's... [1:59:14] proven true. So... [1:59:17] If that can happen, if people can... [1:59:21] tell doctors this is not addictive. And doctors believe it and doctors push it. [1:59:27] And then you find out later, oh, yeah. [1:59:30] And they knew there we have documents that prove that they knew that it was addictive. They knew how destructive it was, but they did it anyway. It's like people can believe that. [1:59:42] But then they have a hard time believing it about other things. [1:59:45] I can't imagine. [1:59:48] Well, they don't want to seem foolish. [1:59:50] And this is the thing about conspiracy theories. They've done a really good job of making it seem like you're a fool if you believe in conspiracy theories. [1:59:58] And this is – they did a really good job of that during the Kennedy assassination. That's when the term conspiracy theorist really became popular. It never – it wasn't really a thing that people talked about all the time before the Kennedy assassination. And then after that, that became this –

[2:00:14] term that they would use for kooks. Yeah. You're a label. A label. You're a conspiracy theorist. Yeah. Like they use that for me all the time. I was about to say. Yeah. Are you like the king of conspiracy? I am a conspiracy theorist. Yes. Because, by the way, what is a conspiracy? [2:00:27] two or more people [2:00:29] Working together to do something nefarious. It's always happened. It's been going on forever. There's a ton of them that I could just rattle off the top of my head. And I've had a few conversations with people on the podcast where they're like, I think most conspiracies can be attributed to ineptitude and this. And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Not most. A few. Some. But when there's profit involved, when there's profit involved, when there's power involved, when there's control resources involved, most conspiracies, in fact, turn out to be true. [2:00:59] The more you dig deep, the more you realize there's a concerted effort to make these conspiracies seem ridiculous because you don't want to be taken as a fool. Right. I am a fool. So if you take me as a fool, congratulations. You're accurate. I'm a foolish person. I'm a professional clown. But why do you say that? Because I'm the easiest person to mock of all time. [2:01:29] who is a cage fighting commentator. Like half of the time, half of the time when I'm working, people are getting kicked in the face. Like that's, you know, it's like that's like normal. I mean, but like people look at that as like that's normal for you. Like that's like brutish, barbaric, like stupid meathead behavior. Like, right. Okay. That's okay. Yeah. I don't care. Also, I think they faked the Gulf of Tonkin incident to get us into Vietnam.

[2:01:59] of heroin ramped up to 94% of the world once we had occupied Afghanistan. [2:02:04] Like what? Like how much of that's real? All of it. Plus, the United States, the CIA rather, sold heroin or sold cocaine in L.A. ghettos to pay for the Contras versus the Sandinistas in Nicaragua. That's all true, too. That's real. Like there's conspiracy theories you can get into that are fucking real. And you don't mind people. [2:02:27] You don't care what people say about you. [2:02:29] Well, I mean. If they say, no, he's foolish. I am foolish. I'm a foolish person. Well, I think that gives you superpower to just say, I don't. [2:02:40] I don't care what you think about me. Yes. [2:02:42] It's like doing improv, right? Well, nobody wants people to think badly of them. Right. I don't want people to think badly of me. But does it... [2:02:51] Yeah. [2:02:52] affect your day-to-day? I don't pay attention. I don't pay attention to it. It's not good for you to pay attention to it. No. If you see yourself trending on... I don't see myself trending. You don't ever check it? Nope. Never. Never. That is so smart. It's not good for you. You don't have to change it. You don't have to change it. Yeah. You just got to keep moving. And with kids, that's hard to say. It's hard to tell kids don't pay attention to it. They're going to pay attention. But they become more resilient from [2:03:22] kids know who you are. I would hope that they get you. And I think my kids get me. And I think my family gets me. Look, I'm a fool, but I'm an honest fool. I'll tell you what I believe.

[2:03:35] It might not make any sense to you and you can mock me all day long. I don't think you're a fool. That's what's so funny. I think there's some things that I'm foolish with, but it's okay. Well, I mean, listen. It doesn't bother me. I'm nice. I'm a kind person. I try to be. I work hard at it. Well, you're smart and you're curious. [2:03:52] And you're kind to people. I think it's important to do. I think it's to live a good life. You should have a good community of people that you love and you care for and you should be as nice to them as you can and have some fun in this life. But also, you can't be scared of people who don't know you thinking that you're an idiot if you're saying something you truly believe in. Yeah, absolutely. [2:04:14] Yeah. So I don't mind talking about like the moon landing hoax or fucking UFOs or – I don't care. All the things that people are like, oh, that makes you look like a kook. Like – [2:04:25] Good. Who cares? Then don't listen. [2:04:28] Right. You don't have to listen. Right. But also, like, I don't have to audition for something. Right. Yeah. If I did, then maybe I would change. Right. I know a lot of comedians that kind of change their act once they started getting on TV. Yeah. [2:04:40] Because they kind of take the edge off their act. They don't want to be as controversial. They're worried about a bit maybe getting – [2:04:46] clipped and going viral or especially like only part of the bit where like it's out of context, doesn't show the whole bit where, you know. Yes. Even words. I mean, that goes back to, you know, uh... [2:05:00] the campaign. It's like, [2:05:04] If any words that come out of your mouth, they can...

[2:05:07] Like you said, clip. [2:05:09] Then it's just gone, and then it's now you're – do you talk about, oh, I – you didn't play the whole thing. You didn't say this is exhausting. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. The words came out of your mouth. It doesn't matter – [2:05:21] Well, look at Trump's lawsuit with the BBC. [2:05:23] They completely clipped his speech and took 50 minutes of it. [2:05:28] out and put another thing at the end of it to make it look like he was trying to get people to go and attack the Capitol. [2:05:34] Yeah, that's crazy. It's crazy. And, you know, he's suing them now. And then the head of the BBC had to resign. And but it's like, that is normal. That kind of behavior is normal. Yeah. Yeah. But what is this election going to look like with AI? And it's just gonna be craziness. So crazy. I mean, the last one was crazy. This one's gonna be [2:05:54] It's so... [2:05:56] I can't even imagine what it's going to look like. Well, it's also Trump has kind of changed the way people interact in debates and in politics. And there's people that are trying to emulate his success. Right. Which happens in like all art forms. And I think running for president and being an entertainer are kind of connected in the fact that you could almost say that like campaigning is kind of a performance art. Absolutely. I mean, think of like. [2:06:25] Like Kamala Harris, she had that one great speech that she did when they announced that she was going to run for president when she said, if you're going to say something, say it to my face. And everybody went, oh, shit, it's on. And then she ramped up in the charts. And what was that? Well, that was a great performance. That was a piece of art. Right. If you're going to be that, that's what that is. So it's like this is what these people are doing. And he's changed the art form in a lot of ways.

[2:06:55] Yeah. You know, like when Elvis Presley came out and started shaking his hips and everybody's like, what the fuck is going on? Are we allowed to do that? I'm going to do that. Right. When Jimi Hendrix lit his guitar on fire, everybody's like, what the fuck? We can do that? Yeah. You know, it's like someone sometimes comes along that changes the way people do the thing. Yeah. And he has unfortunately turned everyone into an insult artist. [2:07:15] Whereas you go to the Obama-Mitt Romney thing, and if you can find the actual one, not one where people are commenting on it, it's actually interesting. There's another one that's the really good one. I think the best one is Clinton when he was running for president. When Clinton was running for president, he was so good. He was so measured. He's a great speaker. Oh, not only that. If you listen to what he's saying back then, what's really crazy is a lot of it are right-wing talking points of today. [2:07:45] It's right-wing talking points of today. It's looking out for the American middle class. No, even Hillary, the things that are going around, the things that she said. [2:07:55] Now people are furious about. I know. When she was running for president in 2008, we've played this clip a bunch of times where she's saying, if you're in this country illegally. Yeah. First of all, you should have to pay a stiff fine. And if you've been arrested for any crime, you get kicked out of the country. No questions asked. Everybody's cheering. And you should learn to speak English. And everybody went nuts. Yeah. Like, that's so MAGA. It's so MAGA. It's more MAGA than like J.D. Vance. Yeah.

[2:08:25] This is... [2:08:26] It's crazy. It is pretty. It is crazy. It's crazy. But also... [2:08:31] Like no self-awareness, some of the... [2:08:37] Democrats that are [2:08:39] watching what's happening and also... [2:08:42] I just don't think there's anybody capable. Other than Gavin Newsom, right, who is like the ultimate – [2:08:49] like slick politician guy and regardless of how the state goes in california regardless of how the city of san francisco goes he keeps winning because he's really good at like being slick and like presenting and pretending he means things and well he's a fucking politician and he's a good-looking guy and he's tall and he's got nice hair and people are dumb and they're like he could be the president he's my president he could definitely play the president on tv 100 right [2:09:19] Thank you. [2:09:19] Like you have to just be – Look the part. Talk the talk. Say it the way we like a president to say it. [2:09:26] And it's crazy because they're the only people today that are allowed to talk like that and say things that we know aren't true in a way that is a way that a person talks when they're running for president that they never talk like in real life. That's true. If someone was over your house and they start talking like that, you're like, Steve is fucking crazy. We've got to get him out of the house. He's very presentational. [2:09:48] It's so fake. You're right. There's a lot of the shouting and yelling. It's weird. [2:09:53] It is weird. And now it's become insulting. And now it's a lot of insulting. And Newsom has tried to ape Trump's behavior patterns. I hope it's – I hope the pendulum swings back to a more dignified – You need a really good candidate from the left. I don't know who that's going to be. I don't think – I don't see anybody. That James Tallarico guy is kind of interesting.

[2:10:11] He's pretty interesting. I've had him on the podcast before. He's a very religious guy and very opposed to them putting the Ten Commandments in schools, public schools in Texas. And his take on it is very measured as a religious person, a very religious person. He's in seminary right now, and he essentially said that you're pushing people away from Christianity by doing this. And that it's not fair that if you are not a Christian and you go to this school, you have to read the Christian rules. And what about the Buddhist rules? What about the Muslim rules? [2:10:41] Yeah. You know, it's just not right. And he can talk about it in a real way. And he's also a very religious person. I'm not very familiar with him at all. He was a schoolteacher, and he was realizing that cuts to the budgets were directly affecting vulnerable students in his class. And he pointed to this one kid that he had that was doing really well because he was getting counseling and, you know, came from a troubled background. But he was really, like, showing progress. And then they cut off the funding. [2:11:11] He started falling apart, dropped out of school. And he was like, that is a direct result of this lack of funding for important things that he thinks directly affect people that are vulnerable. And he was coming at it from a very honest and a very moral and ethical place. And when you could talk to him, you could realize that I think he's a good man. And he has a real good chance of being like a – Is he from Texas? Yes. Yeah. He also pointed to the fact that – He's kind of young, right? Yes. Yeah. Very young.

[2:11:41] like that. But, um... [2:11:43] It's also – he pointed out that there's a group of very wealthy oil people in this country – or in this state rather that want to turn Texas into a – they want to fund all the religious schools and cut the funding for the public schools. They want to turn it into a theocracy. They essentially want to turn it into like this – they're what you would call a Christian nationalist, and they really want to push that agenda. And they're doing it with an enormous amount of money. [2:12:13] Christians and they have these very rigid ideas about what people should be able to do in this country. Sketchy. Yeah, that's sketchy. Very sketchy. And it also goes back to money. Yeah. So even hearing that like to run for president. Yeah. Takes so much money. Yeah. A lot of money. But if people think you could win, they might get on board. Yeah. That's where things get interesting. Yeah. If you think someone can win, like how much are you willing to like ignore that? [2:12:39] Just because this guy will get in. And then once he gets in, that's the dirty part. Once they get in, very rarely do they do what they said they were going to do. Yeah. Very rarely. [2:12:48] Yeah. [2:12:48] Very rarely. Well, and do you think it's because it's so hard to make change, or you think once they get in, they're like, I don't care. I'm just going to do whatever I need to do. [2:12:57] If you want to be really cynical, I think they say a lot of things that they don't mean in order to get elected. [2:13:02] They say the things that the people want to hear in order to get elected. And then I think once they get elected, then it's like the Bill Hicks bit. There's a Bill Hicks bit where he's like, I think they take you into a dark, smoky room and they show you an angle of the Kennedy assassination that you've never seen before.

[2:13:17] And then they say, any questions? And you're like, yeah, I just want to know what my agenda is. Yeah. You know, I think there's a little bit of that, too. Well, no, you're right. [2:13:26] I mean, not about that specifically, but... [2:13:30] Definitely, when you get in, you see things that are just like, well, this is... [2:13:36] SPACE. [2:13:36] I [2:13:37] bigger. [2:13:38] Yeah. The bigger has been happening now. [2:13:41] for a long time and you're just a little tiny piece that's not going to change that. The deep state is real. And if you want a conspiracy theory that a lot of people like to dismiss, just think about it logically. [2:13:56] If there are a bunch of people that are in charge of enormous organizations, and these enormous organizations exist regardless of who the president is, and they are in office for 10, 20, 30, 40 years, whatever it is, acquiring power, using their influence, enormous amount of support from enormous corporations, that's real. [2:14:17] That's always been real. [2:14:18] And you have to contend with that if you want to enact meaningful change as a politician in this country. And good luck. [2:14:25] Yeah. Good luck fighting that battle. [2:14:27] Yeah. [2:14:28] And when you do get in as president, [2:14:32] you... [2:14:33] There are so many jobs that you have to fill [2:14:36] Yeah. Like... [2:14:38] thousands in days. [2:14:42] weeks, months, thousands and thousands. So you have all of these thousands of new employees.

[2:14:49] that are... [2:14:51] ready to work [2:14:53] have to be organized. Now they're organizing with the people [2:14:57] like you said, that are politicals that have been there. [2:14:59] or their career... [2:15:02] people that have been there through it all, through different. And they're going to be there when you're gone. And they're going to be there when you're gone. And so they'll hit the brakes every time they can. Yeah. They'll fucking. Yeah. They're like, that's not how we do it. They'll throw a little monkey wrench into the gears. Yeah. Slow things down. Make backdoor deals. Yeah. It's just like crazy. I've talked to Tulsi about it and she's like, it's so nuts. There's people that are in charge of these certain offices and they just stop you from doing what you want to do. Yeah. Yeah. [2:15:32] get around and try to figure out how to get and then you have to wash their back so they wash yours. It's a lot. It's just a lot of [2:15:40] Every day trying to frigging. And I'm sure it gets frustrating. And I'm sure there are days when you're like, well, [2:15:47] I know I told the people I was going to do that one thing when I can't do that one thing. I can't even get people to change their mind about what they're going to eat for lunch. That's the real scary thing about A.I., [2:15:57] said AI is going to come along and be logical and say, let us handle this. [2:16:03] You guys are good at this. [2:16:05] I think they're doing that now. Don't you think they're doing that now? All this corruption, we could put a stop to it immediately. We could weed through it. Yeah. [2:16:12] We can make things very efficient. [2:16:14] By the way... [2:16:15] You don't think AI could weed out the people in Congress and wherever that have been? Of course.

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[2:19:35] Thank you. [2:19:37] Then we told her that, and she just wanted to look cool. Then we told her that. That's a tough one. Yeah. [2:19:43] Make sure that's true. [2:19:44] I'm pretty sure it is. I'm pretty sure it is. What? [2:19:47] What? You didn't listen? I'm looking for the Nancy Pelosi video. Oh, sorry. Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer, when they got down on one knee with their African garb on, the garb that they are wearing is from this one particular tribe that was responsible for – [2:20:03] a lot of the slave trade. And by the way, that also speaks to [2:20:08] how some things are just... [2:20:10] random done by an assistant somewhere that's like i need to have something to put on and then now they're now it looks like they've made a big statement and it's you know it's like oh no i didn't know that's just kooky to do it's just kooky to do in the first place i mean it's like what do you why are you doing that well how about just say i feel very strongly about this particular social issue and we need you know yeah less racism and we need to be more equal in this country no [2:20:40] photo op. You're getting on one knee. Is that accurate? Sometimes we go to... I'm trying to figure out what they're saying about it. There's a picture. Okay. Hmm. [2:20:50] People were just mad that they were wearing this stuff to begin with. I don't know. [2:20:53] Right. It's called Kente Cloth. So was the Kente Cloth... [2:20:58] did it have anything to do with the people that were involved in the slave trade? [2:21:04] Did they wear it?

[2:21:07] Because that's what I've read online. [2:21:09] But again, who knows how much of that's real? That's the problem. You read things and it could be horseshit. [2:21:16] Yeah. [2:21:16] Fact check, yes. Go back. It didn't say anything. [2:21:21] Fact check. Yeah, it didn't say yes. Yes. [2:21:24] It says, yes, first word, Kentecloths were historically worn by empire involved in West African slave trade. [2:21:30] Yeah, so that's true. Well, it's funny because when Bobby and I travel internationally, and we might be – [2:21:37] somewhere where they wear specific... [2:21:40] um, [2:21:42] clothing garments right and it looks cool and it's like we're supposed to go to uh [2:21:47] event or a function. And I will think, oh, well, why don't we wear what [2:21:53] you know, they're wearing. [2:21:57] Calm down. [2:22:00] Just wear your own clothes. Don't. Don't. [2:22:04] Just don't. Just don't. And I'm like, are you sure? Because everybody's... Uh-uh. Uh-uh. [2:22:09] Bring it down. And definitely don't take a picture with their stuff on. Oh, no. Theo Vaughn did that. He went to Qatar and took a picture wearing their outfits. Uh-oh. And everybody's like, you're bought and paid for. Settle down. Do you got the Nancy Pelosi video? [2:22:24] No, no, I was... [2:22:26] MAN, I... [2:22:27] there's multiple versions of it and it's most of the things I'm finding are people commenting on it again because that's where it exists. [2:22:34] I'm sure it's out there. Yeah. It's fun. I'm sure there are a few. That's it. This was not it.

[2:22:40] No, this is Yahoo Finance talking about it, and it shows 10 seconds of it, but it doesn't show her walking away like you wanted to. Oh. Trying to find what you wanted to see. Let me hear it. [2:22:51] Back it up a little and back it up a little so you can hear the question. The government should be trading. Take a listen. [2:22:58] Insider just completed a five month investigation, finding that 49 members of Congress and 182 senior congressional staffers have violated [2:23:06] back at. [2:23:06] that inside a dream log. [2:23:08] I'm wondering if you have any reaction to that. And secondly, should members of Congress and their spouses [2:23:13] be banned from trading individual stocks while serving [2:23:16] on the road. [2:23:17] No, I don't know to this. [2:23:18] second one. [2:23:20] We have a responsibility to report [2:23:23] in the stock. [2:23:24] on the staff, but I'm not familiar with that five-month [2:23:28] review, but if the people aren't reporting, they should be. [2:23:32] Why does the net make up? Because this is a free market and people. [2:23:37] We are a free market economy. They should be able to participate in that. [2:23:43] Okay. Okay. Right. [2:23:50] So I guess there is some law. [2:23:52] Yeah, they're... [2:23:54] There is some law that they were talking about. Yeah, that you can't. [2:23:58] know about a decision that's going to be made and somehow have invested. But there's a lot of evidence that they do. And again, right and left. [2:24:07] It's a lot. No, it's definitely not one group. She's the scapegoat.

[2:24:11] Because she's the best at it. She's the G. She's top dog. [2:24:16] I don't even think she's made the most money. I think someone else had made more money, right? Wasn't it? She was like 10th on the list or something. Who's the top dog? They're the one throwing her under the bus. Put Nancy in front of the camera. Poor Nancy. She likes the camera. Get her out there. They're hiding. Nancy's like, ah, well. Yeah, there's some guy who's like fucking middle of North Dakota. Just taking it easy. Yeah. Just on his ranch. That guy, Dave Rouser. [2:24:41] Look at that, 149%. Wow. Okay, but that's – it says stock value, portfolio value, but it doesn't say the numbers. Yeah, well, I mean that's – Right? You know what I mean? It's like if so, if their portfolio goes up 149%, but they only have 50 grand in it as opposed to what Nancy has in it. Hers only went up 70%. Can you imagine if you went to a fucking guy and he said he can give you a 70% return on your money? You'd be like, what's your name? How do you know that? [2:25:11] So I can Google Mr. Madoff. Right. Exactly. [2:25:15] Yeah. How are you doing that? How are you making that much money? That's crazy. [2:25:20] How about 150%? That was the top one. That guy's doing good. That guy's doing okay. Right. But maybe he's smart. He only invests a little bit. Just a touch. Just a little bit. Just for funsies. In AI. Yeah. I mean, if you put in $20 and you come back with 150% of $20, no one's going to get mad. Do you gamble? [2:25:40] Me? Yeah. No, but I will.

[2:25:43] You mean you're ready to start? [2:25:47] But it's not like you love it. No, I don't gamble on like cards and stuff like that. I used to gamble on fights. I used to bet on fights. But then I really decided at a certain point in time I probably shouldn't be doing this. [2:25:59] That was a long time ago, though, before the UFC recently made it illegal, not illegal, but they passed a rule saying that the people that work for the UFC can't gamble on the fights because there was a scandal. [2:26:13] involved in fixed fights where it looks like somebody took a dive for money. And then it turns out many fighters have been approached and asked to take dives. And so there's a current investigation going on. Just like basketball. Oh, yeah, everything. The basketball. [2:26:27] Yeah, I mean, it's not... [2:26:29] new. Especially when money's involved. If you get gambling involved. But my thought was like, I don't have any power in affecting whether or not the fight goes one way or the other. I just have insight. In terms of what I think I have a more [2:26:45] educated idea of what a fighter is capable of than a person who doesn't watch fights constantly. So I had and also in the beginning, the early days, I had a giant advantage in that I was a huge fan of these overseas organizations like Pride and Strikeforce or not Strikeforce, but Rise and a lot of these companies were bringing fighters over. And these bookmakers didn't know about these fighters. And I knew a lot about them. I'm like, this guy's gonna fuck everybody up,

[2:27:15] is, I would tell people, like when Anderson Silva came to the UFC, I told all my friends, I said, bet the house. Bet everything on this guy. I go, this guy's going to fuck everybody up. He's going to be the champion inside of the year. I was like, there's no one going to stop him. And he did. Yeah. I was like, he's too good. But you don't want to bet on [2:27:33] like football or something that you're not. You're not sort of. I would. I bet a little bit. I really want you to gamble for some reason. I'm not scared of gambling. [2:27:43] But I do know that it ruins some people's lives. But so do cheeseburgers. [2:27:49] Yeah, some people, they ruin their life with Pop-Tarts and Mountain Dew. It's true. It's going to be – if it's going to be something. [2:27:56] But it doesn't have to be is what we're saying. Right. It's the same thing as junk food. Like I don't think junk food should be illegal. But I think what Bobby's doing with junk food is really important. And what he's also doing with just educating people like, hey, like the new food pyramid. Yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah. Finally, it's aligned with all the real legitimate health experts. Yeah. Instead of this nonsense that you're supposed to mostly be eating grain like you're a fucking cow. Like this is nuts. By the way, it – [2:28:24] You know, Bobby's job as secretary of HHS, even something like the food pyramid, which is... [2:28:33] I don't know how you can argue with it. [2:28:36] But people... [2:28:38] we'll find a reason to be mad about it. Yeah. And it's no matter what, [2:28:45] He says, or sometimes the president says, even if it's something great, like favored nations,

[2:28:52] drug prices. Right. We're, [2:28:54] They're saying for the first time, America is not going to pay more than other countries for drugs, pharmaceutical drugs. [2:29:02] somehow there are people out there that would be mad about it. [2:29:08] They're not going to take it. Well, they're furious. They're going to be outraged. A lot of them are probably paid off. They're paid off to be. There's a lot of paid influencers. That's one thing to take into consideration when it comes to anything, like foreign policy issues, pharmaceutical drug issues. There's a lot of people that are paid to have certain opinions. That's a fact. And get it out there. Yeah, they get it out there and someone takes advantage of the fact that this person has a large platform. And then they say, hey, this person... [2:29:36] fucking drug price thing is wrong. We're doing something terrible. This pharmaceutical drug. Too much money they have to spend. We have to make sure they're profitable. This is a crime. This is a crime to make it cheaper for everybody else. They need all the money. Do you think that influencers that are just the people that are showing you how to do an exercise or how to do your makeup, you think those guys... [2:30:03] Yeah, somehow they get involved, right? It depends on who they are and how influential they are. But I know that happened during COVID. They paid a lot of people to promote the vaccines. Yeah. They paid people. Yeah. To promote the vaccines, which is just. They paid people. That's crazy. Like if the medicine's good, you shouldn't have to pay people to promote it. Yeah. When was the last time you saw an influencer getting paid to promote penicillin?

[2:30:25] Never. Never. Why? Because it works. It's good and you don't have to do that. Yeah. If you need it, you should go to the doctor and get penicillin. It's like tried and proven medication. That was a weird. It's a weird time. It's a weird time. Weird. Super weird time. [2:30:42] But it opened up a lot of people's eyes and, you know, air quotes, red-pilled a lot of people. I hear that term a lot. Yeah. Is there a term, black-pilled? Yes. Oh, never saw it. Oh, you never saw The Matrix? No, but I've seen him. You're an actor. I've seen him, like, going backwards and then pulling. It's like, okay, I get it. I got the thing. Oh, wait. So red-pilled. So Morpheus presents Neo with. Is that Keanu Reeves? Yes. Okay. [2:31:12] Um, uh... [2:31:14] Lawrence Fishburne. Lawrence Fishburne presents Keanu Reeves with two pills. Okay. One of them is the blue pill. If he takes this blue pill, he stays in the matrix and he has no knowledge of what reality is all about. If he takes the red pill, the red pill is reality and he gets to see. So he takes the red pill. The red pill is reality. And so there's a lot of people that took that blue pill and they can't tell you what a woman is. [2:31:41] That's an interesting conversation when you hear that. That's a great example of someone who took the blue pill. [2:31:47] When you just say like in these congressional hearings, like Josh Howley or these people say, what is a woman? [2:31:54] And like someone who identifies as a woman. Okay, what are they identifying as?

[2:31:59] And it's like this weird circular logic and they just keep going and they don't have anything. [2:32:04] Can men menstruate? [2:32:06] Can men get pregnant? Yes, some men can get pregnant. Yes, some men can have babies. Yes, some men menstruate. And you're like, do you have a PhD? Are you really a teacher? This is crazy. It is. But that's blue pill. They took the blue pill. Is there such thing as a black pill? Yes. What does the black pill mean? People think we're doomed and we're fucked. They think it's all pedophiles and Satanists are running the government. And then the white pill is people who think everything's going to be great. [2:32:35] Oh. [2:32:38] Can I get the white one? Yeah, the white pill would be a good thing to take, but I don't think it's accurate. I think you want a gray pill. If they just have a gray pill that gets you like, hey, there probably are a bunch of Satanists and pedophiles in positions of high power. And then there's also probably a real good chance that we'll pull through this and we'll be better than we've ever been before. That's possible. There's a lot of exciting possibility about the future of human beings. [2:33:06] like, [2:33:06] The good thing and the bad thing about the Internet is the free distribution of information. The good thing about it that I try to focus on is that more people have an understanding of how things are really working than ever before. [2:33:18] Like this Epstein file thing, right? That was a big eye-opener for a lot of people. When you see how many people after 2008, after he was arrested, after he went to jail, were actively taking money from him. MIT took money from him and tried to hide it and said to make sure that any donations from Jeffrey are listed as anonymous. You find out like people are like – they referred to him as Voldemort. Like you couldn't say his name. Wow.

[2:33:48] after he was arrested. [2:33:51] after he went to jail. [2:33:53] Do you spend a lot of time reading them? No. I try not to. I try to have experts come on. I try to read. You can't change it and it will fuck with your head. Yeah, it's toxic. You will really get – It will stick with your – and I know I've tried not to. Yeah. I haven't read any of them. I do see things on the news and I'm not saying, oh, if I don't hear it, that means it didn't happen. Yeah. [2:34:23] sick [2:34:23] situation that I... [2:34:25] think it would be hard to. It seems very dark. [2:34:29] Very dark. Because it seems like... [2:34:31] It was this bizarre black male influence thing that was going on for a long time. [2:34:40] A long time. Through different administrations. Mm-hmm. That's what's so... [2:34:46] Thank you. [2:34:47] Yeah. Unbelievable about it. It's dark. How long it was going on. I'm in the files for not going. Huh? Yeah, I'm in the files for not going. Jeffrey Epstein was trying to meet with me. [2:34:59] Oh, I did see that. Yeah. And I was like, what? I'm like, no, thanks. Yeah. Aren't you glad? [2:35:05] Yeah, but I would have never went anyway. It's like it's not even a possibility that I would ever went, especially after I Googled him. I was like, what the fuck are you talking about? This is like 2017. One of my guests was trying to get me to meet him. I was like, bitch, are you high? What the fuck are you talking about? For what reason would you?

[2:35:22] What would be – If I was a guy who was like sucking up to the rich and powerful, if I was really interested in hanging out with rich and powerful people. You know, it's crazy. It's so – that's so crazy. But yeah, some people – Some people get intoxicated by being in a circle of rich and powerful people even if they're not – [2:35:42] They don't even have any ambitions of being one of those people. They just want to be around them. They want to be around Nobel Prize winners. Because this guy was – what he was doing was very clever in that he was getting all of these very powerful and very respected people together. And you would figure like, oh, it's safe. If that guy's there, if that lady's there. Clinton's here. This is fine. Clinton's here. How could this be bad? Look, it's Steven Pinker. How could this be bad? You know, he's a genius. [2:36:12] And so you would go – I would imagine you would go to these – because I – like there's people that went to these – like he had parties in New York. Like he brought in celebrities and comedians. Didn't Louis Black get invited to one of those? I think he's talked about it. I know Chelsea Handler went to one of them. [2:36:29] It's like he would bring all these people in and he'd like to be around famous people and entertainers and a lot of intellectuals and professors. Noam Chomsky was famously deeply involved. So it's like. [2:36:43] You would go, I guess, to these places, and that was how he would – [2:36:48] convince everybody that everything is going to be fine. Like, have you ever been invited to a party and someone tell you, hey, you should go to this party. Brad Pitt's going to be there. Like, they'll tell you that to try to get you to go. Right. They'll tell you about the famous people that are going to be there. Like, oh. Oh, I should go. I didn't know. I didn't know. Yeah.

[2:37:05] you know? Yeah. Yeah. [2:37:06] Yeah, it is weird. Some people are really driven. [2:37:12] by that. Really love the... [2:37:15] parties and the invitations and blindly ambitious. Yeah. [2:37:19] They're willing to put aside... [2:37:22] You know, all the possibilities of what could be awful about these people. Yeah. And get together with them without anything. Even a cursory Google search. Yeah. As to who you're hanging out with. Can't have your assistant Google something? How about you just do it? It doesn't take long. Hey, look what I just found out. This is kind of crazy. Yeah. [2:37:42] Yeah. Yeah. It's just – but it's – what's more bizarre is that there's probably – and I talked to Mike Benz about this. He was like explaining how this guy rose to prominence and how he got this kind of influence that he had. And he was like there's probably a bunch of those going on right now that we don't know about. [2:38:02] What people that are. Like that. Like the same sort of Jeffrey Epstein type situation. Just someone else and doing it somewhere else. They just haven't been caught yet. Yeah. Yeah. [2:38:12] Like if he didn't get arrested, let's think about this. Yeah. Because his – [2:38:16] particular perversion, the darkness of it was that he was into underage girls. He was into young girls. Imagine if he wasn't. [2:38:23] What if he was only into girls that are in their 30s? You would have never heard anything about it. What if he just hired – [2:38:29] These adult ladies to come to these parties that were already sex workers. Would you have heard anything about this? And that's the thing. Is that happening right now? Right. Did you hear about how this started in 2005? I think this is. No, but it's I'm glad you're saying that because I'm.

[2:38:46] This is crazy. Two girls fighting. So it started between a fight between two teenage girls at Royal Palm Beach High School in Florida. Here are the details of how the event triggered the investigation. Early 2005, two girls at Royal Palm Beach High School got into a fight during which one girl repeatedly recalled the other girl a prostitute or hooker. [2:39:06] Following the fight, school administrations and parents investigated, searching one of the girl's purses and finding $300 in cash. The confession. The student initially claimed the money was from working at a fast food restaurant, but later revealed she had been paid for massages by a wealthy man, later identified as Jeffrey Epstein. [2:39:23] This revelation led to a police investigation in March of 2005 when the stepmother of one of the girls reported the molestation to the Palm Beach police. Wow. Wow. That's in 2000. [2:39:35] That was the first arrest. And now listen to this. It says the Royal Palm Beach High was identified as a focal point for recruitment where, according to investigations, at least 15 students were lured into Epstein's Palm Beach home. [2:39:51] Holy shit. That's so crazy. That's in 2005. Imagine if those girls didn't get in that fight. [2:39:56] imagine if that didn't happen [2:39:58] Yeah. [2:39:59] It's dark. [2:40:00] Stark. Yeah. But if that guy was not into that, if he was not into high school girls, right? Like if he was just into grown women. [2:40:09] who were sex workers. [2:40:10] and he ran the same operation exactly the same way, it could probably go on to this day. Yeah. And if everybody kept their fucking mouth shut, if all these guys – Yeah. I mean look at some people that are in the – There was nothing going on, so. Oh.

[2:40:25] FBI concluded Jeffrey Epstein wasn't running a sex trafficking ring for powerful men file show. Oh, there you go. Oh, there you go. Who says that? What's that source? It's going around. I just found the place that was showing the headline. It was going around the Internet. Oh, today? Yeah, the AP is the AP reporting it. Today. Oh, I thought that was from 2005. This is like the FBI stating it today. I was like, oh, that's the... That's the gaslightiest gaslighting shit I've ever heard in my life. Whoa. Whoa. [2:40:54] What do they think is going on? [2:40:57] Just a bunch of fun. A bunch of guys hanging out. That is. Being fellas. Having cocktails. Talking about science. They're still looking into it, but they don't have any evidence. Oh. Look into it. Maybe see. Get Eddie Bravo in the case. Looking into it. That is crazy. The name of his show. Look into it. It's so crazy. It's. It's. But. [2:41:18] There's probably a lot of that. It's gone on forever. Yeah. And it's also probably a way that they can secure business deals and make sure that people do things they want to do. They have a little something over them. They do a little of this, do a little of that. For sure. This is what – this is what's – yeah. Yeah. [2:41:36] I mean, that's what Epstein was all about, was... [2:41:40] Thank you. [2:41:42] manipulating people and... [2:41:46] you know, holding it over their head and getting them to do something, you know, [2:41:50] Allegedly. Allegedly. Allegedly. It certainly seems like that. It certainly seems like that was a big part of it.

[2:41:56] I mean, is it possible that people didn't know what was going on? Maybe initially. Yeah. You know, if someone got lured in like they tried to lure me in and they didn't do a Google search. And also they're meeting with this eccentric billionaire, supposedly, who's just not politically correct. Oh, he's a wild guy. Which, by the way, who cares? People care. People care. Weirdly. People care about billionaires. They want to meet. Weirdly. Yeah. They want to meet. They want access. Access. They think somehow or another it's going to rub off on them and they're going to be rich too. Yeah. [2:42:25] Yeah. [2:42:27] I mean, listen, I see that. Well, you see it with celebrities, of course. Sure. Everybody wants to be around. But I see it with Bobby, people... [2:42:37] want to be around them. They want to... [2:42:39] access. They want to tell them something. They want to talk to them. They want to, and it's like, well, it's intense. It gets really weird. Yeah. [2:42:48] It's real weird. It's a... [2:42:51] I think it's a natural human inclination. You know, I think it goes back to the tribal days. You want to be around the chief of the tribe. You know, I just think it's a normal primate behavior. Yeah. And it makes sense that you want to be around people that sort of lift you up and give you... [2:43:12] ideas, show you something that you wouldn't otherwise see. In the best case scenario, you want to be around good people because you want to be around a good person. If you meet someone who's really cool, like, wow, guys are like, I love being around that person. Everybody loves them. Why does everyone love him? Look at his behavior. He's such a nice guy. And then, you know, that's good. Rubs off on everybody. But also, for some people, it's just like they see someone who's very important and they want to be important and they think being next to that person makes them important.

[2:43:42] important. Just being next to them is going to do something. Well, that's why people name drop. [2:43:47] Right. Name dropping might be the worst strategy that's ever been conceived that doesn't work. [2:43:52] And yet people do it all the time. Like it never works. No. Nobody ever says, wow, it was over at Leonardo DiCaprio's house the other day. You know, Leo and I are close. Nobody goes, wow, you're so cool. You're friends with Leo. No, they go, listen to this motherfucker name dropping. Right. It's weird. It's weird. But people still do it. Yeah. Yeah. [2:44:10] It's like, I was just telling my niece, it's like a... [2:44:14] Oh, you just name dropped your niece. I didn't say your name. But I was saying like a woman who has a bumper sticker that says classy lady. [2:44:23] I don't think you are. Yeah. It's like if you have to tell people. [2:44:30] That's a good example. It's like, I don't think so. Classy ladies on their bumper stickers, first of all. What are you doing to your car? What are you doing to your car? What are you doing to your car, your poor car? Classy ladies, hilarious. Is it hard for you to go out? Can you go out? It's a struggle. You are so famous that it's. [2:44:48] There's fame where some people come up and go, "Oh, hi. I like the thing that you did." Or the thing that you do. And then there's the super famous where it's [2:44:58] Everybody knows you, and it's probably... [2:45:01] that [2:45:02] It's got to keep you from actually doing normal things, I would think. It's definitely a problem. Yeah, it gets in the way. But that's what you sign up for. [2:45:10] Yeah. You know, I didn't necessarily sign up for it, but it became what it is. Like when I first started doing this podcast, I never would have, never would have, if someone told me it was going to be what it was, what it became, I might go. Not ready for that. I don't know if I want to do that. That's a lot. I like to just be like a B-list sort of weird guy on the outside. It's like kind of keeps working, but that's it.

[2:45:36] You're the first person that I've ever talked to that's like, yeah, I just want to be B-list. Oh, B-list is sweet. It's good. It's a sweet spot. Nobody knows who you are. Nobody cares. You can go to the movies. Oh, yeah. Nobody cares. If they see you, they say hi. That's it. Yeah, that's it. Oh, hey, aren't you that guy that was on that show? Yeah, hi. That's it. Nice. Yeah. That's nice. That's nice. Yeah. You can go to Disney World. Yeah. Yeah. You get to a certain level. You can't go anywhere. No. That's where, you know, you fucked up. [2:46:01] well don't run for president by the way no chance not a chance in hell no never never not a chance in hell zero political aspirations don't listen to me if i run don't vote for me don't do it i'm not i don't want that job i wouldn't be good at it i'm not [2:46:18] designed for it [2:46:20] No. [2:46:20] It's a tough job. It's a crazy job that made sense when there was 150 people and they all had muskets. It doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make any sense. [2:46:28] That one alpha should be involved in controlling 350 million people? Yeah. That's nuts. [2:46:37] That's a crazy job. It's all a crazy set up. [2:46:41] And by the way, elections are... [2:46:45] Hell. The way they're set up is... [2:46:48] Crazy. Yeah. When you're in it and you start seeing, this is what you have to do, especially running as an independent, this is what you have to do for each state. It's different for each state. [2:47:01] Yeah. Just like who made up these rules? People that were trying to make sure that it was really hard to win. Yeah.

[2:47:07] To make sure an independent. There's a thing where people are not allowed to question. That if you question, you call the fool. [2:47:14] or you call the conspiracy theorists like, hey, [2:47:17] I think there's some election fraud. [2:47:19] How much do you think there is? Like when people say, I don't think the election in 2020 was rigged, I go, well, I don't have any evidence. I don't know. [2:47:27] But – [2:47:28] If I had to ask you what percentage of – [2:47:32] election fraud is real. I don't think you would say zero. [2:47:37] Yeah. Yeah. [2:47:38] I don't think anybody would say zero. [2:47:40] Well, I mean – Right? Do you think – like there's a woman in California that recently registered her dog and used a mail-in ballot and voted for her dog to expose the fact that you could do this? [2:47:50] And California famously doesn't allow you to show ID. [2:47:55] When you vote, which is crazy. That's pretty crazy. That's crazy. Like you're not allowed to. Not only are you not asking, you're not allowed to. You're not allowed to show it. That seems like if I was being super charitable, I can't find a reason why that makes sense. [2:48:09] And... [2:48:10] I've never seen Kamala explain that, like people in poor places, they can't go to Kinko's and they can't get their ID. I haven't seen that. Something to see. Fucking nuts. Something. It's like the most rambly, cockeyed answer for – like it doesn't – there's no answer that makes any sense. Like why shouldn't you have voter ID? Yeah. [2:48:29] Unless you're trying to cheat. So then the question is, OK, let's say they're not trying to cheat. They just want to make it easy for people that don't have ID to vote. How much of those people are voting that shouldn't be voting? It's not zero. Yeah. Zero. So how much of an effect did it have on the election?

[2:48:47] I don't know. But here's the thing, Democrats, if that's a fact. [2:48:52] And it happened in 2020. And maybe it happened in 2024. We don't know. Maybe it'll happen again in 2028. Maybe the Republicans will lock it down. Right. And they'll rig the elections. Do you think that's OK? I don't think that's OK. Right. Well, by the way, remember. [2:49:07] Bush v. Gore. Oh, yeah. I mean, that's when things turned for me where I was like, I'm out. I'm not. It was so shady and it was so dramatic. It took a couple of weeks to figure out who the president was. Remember that? I do. Yeah. I do. Do you remember Hacking Democracy, the documentary on HBO? No. It was really good because it was all about the Diebold systems. And they showed in this documentary that these systems have third party input. [2:49:37] attributed to the Republican Party. And these machines that were in place supposedly on this show, if I remember correctly, they showed that they can affect the election. They could show they could change the numbers with third party input. And they did it on the show. So at that time, that was supposed to be evidence that the Republicans were capable of rigging the election. And so everyone was supposed to be outraged. Oh, my God, they've hijacked our election process and stolen it. [2:50:05] But then in 2020, [2:50:06] because it was Trump [2:50:08] He's such a polarizing character that when he said that the election was stolen, everybody was like, this is an affront to our democracy. Never has a president said that the elections weren't fair. That's not even true because Hillary did it in 2016. She said that he wasn't the rightful president, that Russia helped him win.

[2:50:25] I mean, it's been going on, I think, every... [2:50:28] almost every election, I think. And just like [2:50:33] Gore v. Bush, it was like [2:50:35] people were so outraged and it was, [2:50:37] You know, we're not going to take this. This cannot be how our elections are held. And, you know, for a moment in time, it felt like, oh, my gosh, they're really going to they're going to redo it all. And then it's every year. Nothing. Yeah. Every year. It's. [2:50:54] people are outraged. It seems like it escalates. People love to be outraged. They do. It makes them feel like they're doing something. They enjoy it. [2:51:01] They seem to enjoy it. They do. Yeah. [2:51:04] Well, it gives you a purpose. Yeah. You know, that's part of the thing of being, you know, if you think you're an activist, air quotes, you know, you think you're out there affecting things and you're out there chanting and screaming and carrying the signs that the NGOs had print up. And you're out there, you know, you've got a purpose because otherwise you'd just be sitting at home watching TikTok. Yeah. Instead, you're out here saving the world. And people can see it. Yeah. But yeah, maybe – [2:51:30] Maybe organize a group to help people... [2:51:33] Get their citizenship to help people. To help people. Yeah. Organize together to move things forward. [2:51:41] Yeah, the hell people would be nice. But the citizenship thing is kind of crazy because the borders were wide open for four years. And they just they invited people into the country, essentially helped them get in, gave them aid. [2:51:54] And then once they're in, now the new administration is trying to arrest them and capture them. So both things are crazy. It's crazy that you did this.

[2:52:02] And that you just let these people and told them you're going to have a better life, come to America. And then it's also crazy that now you've got armed, masked people running up to people asking for your ID to check to see if you're an American. Yeah. Like both things are crazy. Both things are crazy. But – [2:52:19] it's, [2:52:21] It's just... [2:52:22] Thank you. [2:52:23] There's no pathway even if you've been here – like if you came over here 25 years ago and you've been a great person and you pay your taxes and you raise a family and like there's no pathway. You have to go back to Mexico or go back to Guatemala or wherever you're from. The only way to apply – [2:52:38] to do it the right way is you have to leave the country. [2:52:42] which also seems kind of crazy. Like you've built a life here. Right. There should be some kind of amnesty. Now, I'm not saying that for people that are criminals or people that just got here. There should be some amnesty. No. If you were one of the people that just recently snuck across the border, no. This is crazy. You haven't built a life here. This is going to be hard to... [2:53:06] So that's a tough system, right? Some people yes and some people no. Oh, it's a tough system. It's definitely a tough system. The whole thing is tough because we're a country that's established by immigrants. Yeah. It feels impossible. But you can't have an open system. [2:53:21] border. You can't just have anybody come through because there's going to be a bunch of criminals that come through and you don't want that. You don't want your country to be more crime infested. You don't want your country to have murderers and cartel members just coming into the country and now getting citizenship and being able to vote and organizing. That's crazy. That's crazy. That's a good way to destroy your country. You have to have some way to vet whether or not people are good people.

[2:53:49] Yeah. But when you just let everybody in and you let 10 million people in, how do you – unless they get arrested while they're here. Right. What do you do? And even then, like a lot of them during the Biden administration, they were getting let go. [2:54:02] And sanctuary cities were letting people go. They were overcrowded. It's just crazy. The whole thing is crazy because it's become a part of a political pawn because they just want a bunch of people in these swing states for the census. So they get more congressional seats. And if they get these people and give them the ability to vote, now you have a built-in voter base. You can just rig the election. You can rig it that way. I need the white pill. I need the white pill. [2:54:25] Yeah. Or the grayish white pill. I'm handing out gray pills. We might be okay. That being said, we might be okay. Things are headed in a pretty good direction. It's possible that we could be okay. But there's a bunch of things that have to happen. But a bunch of things have happened that have allowed us to understand how fucked we are, which is the first step towards fixing it. Admitting you have a problem. The big one was Elon buying Twitter. That was one of the biggest ones of all time. [2:54:55] Thank you. [2:54:56] The problem? No, the big solution. Oh, for free speech. Because we found out when he bought Twitter that the government had been censoring people's speech. Yeah, you can talk to Bobby about that. Crazy. [2:55:10] Censoring accurate speech by experts from Stanford, MIT, these people that were experts in their fields that say this data does not align with –

[2:55:20] What you're saying does not align with the truth, and this is what I think. And these people were silenced. They were kicked off Twitter. They lost their careers. It was crazy, and the government orchestrated it. That's not good. We wouldn't have known that if Elon didn't buy Twitter. And you think people would be outraged by that. You think a lot of people would be outraged. On both sides of the aisle. On both sides of the aisle. They should be. [2:55:44] Yeah. Free speech being shut down. But people were happy with them doing it as long as it aligned with their values. Yeah. Yeah. [2:55:51] That's not good. [2:55:53] Yeah. That's not good. None of it's good. No. Yeah. It's like we've got to have some rock solid ethics and morals. And if we don't have that. Where do we get those? Jesus. Jesus. Jesus has to come back. Please. If you're going to come back, Jesus, now's a good time. But if he came back, everybody like, it's fucking AI. They think we're dopes. Nobody would believe him. If Jesus is like hovering over the Pentagon, please stop with this war. They're like, this is bad. [2:56:19] Nobody believes that. Yeah, that'd be the real problem. That's going to be the conundrum. Jesus is going to come back when AI hits its full peak. No one's going to believe. [2:56:28] They're going to go, what? There will be a few. But then that will be really divided. It will be like three people in the rest of the world. It will be the people that see like the Virgin Mary on a grilled cheese sandwich. Those people. Which, by the way – [2:56:41] I've seen pictures. [2:56:43] You never know. What a crazy thing. That's how the Virgin Mary wanted to. [2:56:48] Give you a sign right in a grilled cheese sandwich. Yeah.

[2:56:51] I'm here to let you know. God is real. I'm here. Yeah. It's like, oh. Oh. [2:56:56] I was hungry. I wanted to eat that, but now what do you do with it? [2:56:59] Put it in a baggie. You've got to save it. You can't just eat it. That's crazy. [2:57:03] Thank you. [2:57:05] But then what happens? I don't know. And keep it. Chill relatives? Keep it in the freezer. [2:57:10] I think we're going to need something. [2:57:13] something that happens I hope it's not something bad because one of the things when something bad happens is it unites us like 9-11 9-11 united us it did for a small amount of time people were pretty awesome yeah to each other and we realized that we're we're really together yeah we're supposed to be one group of people yeah I just hope it doesn't take something like that for us to snap out of this this crazy world of people and we're not going to be able to do that but [2:57:35] Right versus left thing because people just pick a side and adopt their pattern of thinking. Yes. They adopt their – whatever their values are, whatever their opinions are. They just adopt a conglomeration of other people's opinions rather than forming their own. And you can't question anything because if you do, you get cast out. And – [2:57:55] You have to make clear that the other side is really wrong. And the other side's evil and you're good. Yes. It's good versus evil. It is good versus evil. And with every election, this could be the end of democracy. Oh, every time. Democracy is on the line. This is the – yeah. I get sick of that one. Yeah, Oprah said that when she was running for Kamala. This might be the last time you're ever allowed to vote. Yeah. No. What? Is that on the table? Do you think people are going to tolerate that? For real?

[2:58:25] To be an emperor? Okay. I know. Yeah. What I know. It's weird. But that's how they get people riled up and get people to vote. [2:58:34] You've got to use hyperbole. Yeah. You have to make people mad. If Bobby tried to run for president again, would you tell him, fuck you? Like, there's no way. [2:58:45] Would you say, look, we did this rodeo. Enough, dude. [2:58:50] He's not going to run again, but... Thank the baby Jesus. If he did... [2:58:56] you know, I'm [2:58:57] Once again, I'm saying he's not running. But I do feel like it would be... [2:59:02] Different. [2:59:03] Because... [2:59:05] Before, I knew it was going to be crazy. I didn't know why. It's kind of like having a baby. [2:59:13] You know it's going to be hard, but you're not sure why until you have a baby and then you're like – [2:59:16] Every night you're hoping your baby lives till tomorrow and it's a different kind of stress that you had no idea existed. [2:59:24] Thank you. [2:59:25] "'I know now.' [2:59:28] I know what they're all up to. [2:59:31] I've heard... [2:59:33] It's [2:59:34] I've heard all of the [2:59:36] stuff that comes out, the people that come out and they spend all day and night online, going to events, trying to get them. [2:59:47] attack him, expose him, paint him as this or that. And it was a lot, you know, that was a lot.

[2:59:55] and at the same time [2:59:58] It's so much bullshit that [3:00:01] I know now [3:00:03] what [3:00:04] I [3:00:05] what to expect. [3:00:07] Like, just... [3:00:08] a lot of bullshit all day, every day. And I would know more what to pay attention to and what to... [3:00:17] concern myself with. [3:00:19] Because before, it was all coming at you every day, all day. And also my own... [3:00:25] career, my own [3:00:28] my decisions, my friends, [3:00:29] Scott... [3:00:30] lumped in with that. So it [3:00:33] So everything changed. Everything was changing all day, every day. And I feel like... [3:00:38] changes that have been made [3:00:40] Mm-hmm. [3:00:41] wouldn't have to... [3:00:43] Things have already changed. Some things have changed. So it wouldn't be in that state of chaos every day. [3:00:49] It would be a different type of chaos. Yeah, definitely. I see why people run again. [3:00:55] Because before, when I watched people run again, you're watching it and it's just like a, you can't, it's like a. [3:01:02] you know, dumpster fire, you're thinking there's no way that guy is going to run again. That had to be the worst thing. [3:01:08] four years. Hillary, there's no way she can run again. That had to be the worst time of her life. And then they run again, you know, and then you feel like, oh, [3:01:20] Now I understand why. [3:01:22] Because there's almost that idea of like, that's all you had. You gave your best shot. You pulled out all the stops from 1989 to, you know.

[3:01:33] Like they can't say the same... [3:01:36] bullshit over and over. Right. [3:01:39] So there's that part of it that's like, okay. And I'm sure it's intoxicating for some people. Yeah. Well, people like winning, too. People like winning. So they want to be the person that's on the TV that says the new president of the United States. They want to be that person. I fucking won. I fucking won. [3:01:56] You know? Yeah. That's why people want to win an Oscar. That's why people want to win everything. They want to win. They want to be the person on TV. [3:02:03] Everybody says they're a winner. [3:02:05] Ah... [3:02:06] What about all the presidents before TV? [3:02:09] They didn't care. [3:02:11] Or... [3:02:12] I mean – I don't know. I mean – [3:02:15] One of the weirder presidents that was on TV was Eisenhower because when he was leaving office, he told everybody to be careful of the military-industrial complex. He warned them on television, his speech to the union. [3:02:27] Hmm. [3:02:29] You ever seen that? Mm-mm. It's kind of crazy. Yeah. [3:02:31] Because this guy's... [3:02:34] - Thank you. [3:02:35] decorated [3:02:37] former president. I mean, he's leaving office. And as he's leaving, he's [3:02:43] telling people [3:02:45] To be careful. [3:02:46] You have to be very wary that the military industrial complex wants to go to war. [3:02:51] Mmm. [3:02:52] We have to be very wary about their influence. [3:02:56] This is a sitting president. [3:02:57] Yeah. He was announcing it to the nation. I think people were probably like, wait, what? What was that?

[3:03:05] I feel like that was in the late 50s. [3:03:08] When did Eisenhower give that famous speech? [3:03:10] 61. Farewell address. [3:03:13] It's crazy. You want to see it? Yeah. Let's play that and we'll leave with this because this is kind of nuts. [3:03:17] Because this is... [3:03:19] If... [3:03:19] This aired on television back then, and obviously back then there's no internet. There's no VCRs. There's no nothing. So you saw it or you didn't see it, and that was it. Then you heard it secondhand, and whatever opinions you get about it are from your neighbors, and that's it. And everybody shared their opinions, and it just got washed away. [3:03:36] And no one really thought about it. [3:03:37] until the internet came around and people were allowed to review it. So this is Eisenhower in 61. [3:03:43] The vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty. [3:03:49] Ready for instant action. [3:03:51] so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction. [3:03:57] Our military organization today... [3:04:00] bears little relation to that known of any of my predecessors in peacetime. [3:04:05] or indeed by the fighting men of World War II or Korea. [3:04:10] Until the latest of our world conflicts. [3:04:13] The United States had no armaments industry. [3:04:17] American makers of plowshares could. [3:04:21] with time and as required, make swords as well. [3:04:26] But we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense. [3:04:31] We have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions.

[3:04:37] Had to do this. [3:04:38] three and a half million men and women [3:04:41] are directly engaged in the defense establishment. [3:04:45] We annually spend on military security alone, more than the net income of all United States corporations. [3:04:55] Now this conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry [3:05:00] is new. [3:05:02] in the American experience. [3:05:04] The total influence... [3:05:06] economic, political... [3:05:08] Even spiritually. [3:05:09] is felt in every city, every state house, every office of the federal government. [3:05:15] We recognize the imperative need for this development. [3:05:19] Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. [3:05:24] Our toil... [3:05:26] resources and livelihood are all involved. [3:05:29] So is the very structure of our society. [3:05:32] in the councils of government [3:05:34] We must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought. [3:05:41] by the military-industrial complex. [3:05:44] Thank you. [3:05:45] The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists. [3:05:49] and will persist. [3:05:51] We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. [3:05:57] We should take nothing for granted. [3:06:00] Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry. [3:06:03] can compel [3:06:05] the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense.

[3:06:10] with our peaceful methods and goals. [3:06:12] Crazy. [3:06:13] It is crazy. [3:06:14] So it's basically... [3:06:16] He was predicting exactly what we're dealing with right now. [3:06:19] Which is just like... [3:06:21] The president should be... [3:06:24] responsible for keeping our country out of war. Yeah. Yeah. [3:06:29] And, well, also that there's a machine that wants to go to war. Yeah. Because that's how they make money. Because there's more money involved in that than anything. Oh, I've learned a lot about that, too. That's scary. Yeah. [3:06:41] It's pretty crazy. You don't want to be on the wrong side of that. No. [3:06:45] Well. [3:06:45] I've seen some shit, man. I bet you have. Like stuff I did? I don't want to know. [3:06:52] Was the most disturbing thing ever? [3:06:55] Well... [3:06:55] Well, what was the most disturbing thing? [3:06:58] for you personally going through all of it. Oh, for me? Yeah. Yeah. [3:07:06] Thank you. [3:07:07] I think... [3:07:10] Well, definitely... [3:07:12] I was worried about... [3:07:14] Bobby's safety. [3:07:16] you know, just watching him, uh, [3:07:19] Thank you. [3:07:20] Especially, yeah. [3:07:22] And so that and then and then for me, you know, I. [3:07:28] everything changed and a lot of... [3:07:33] I don't know, people just have... [3:07:35] was interesting to watch people change their...

[3:07:40] attitude about me or [3:07:42] that they [3:07:44] I'm not the person they thought I was type of feeling, which is strange because I'm still the same person. Um, [3:07:53] So that was really... [3:07:56] And still is, too, a sense very... [3:07:59] Strange. [3:08:01] Yeah, but you find out who's real. Yeah, you do. That's probably a good thing. It's good. Yeah, it is. It's good for someone to betray you like that. Like, oh, look at you, sweetie. Hmm, see who rises to the top? Yeah. Yeah. [3:08:14] It's true. It's hard. It's painful, though. [3:08:16] Yeah. You know? It sucks if you really like that person and all of a sudden – [3:08:21] Yeah. [3:08:22] Yeah. And, you know, and also... [3:08:25] Just a... [3:08:28] and [3:08:29] people that don't know you that [3:08:32] They sue... [3:08:34] things that aren't true. I mean, I sound ridiculous. It's like, okay, get in line. [3:08:42] But it was... [3:08:44] It's different. [3:08:45] I just did not expect politics to be such a... [3:08:49] part of my life. [3:08:50] I'm still shocked but you know it's [3:08:59] It's everything's good now. [3:09:01] But it was, there were times, and there still are times, but really, um, [3:09:07] The safety, Bobby's safety.

[3:09:10] was the most stressful. [3:09:12] every day all day. [3:09:15] You know, now he travels with the marshals. And even when he was running, and that's why I do write my book, um... [3:09:24] unscripted, that, you know, he was... [3:09:27] trying to get Secret Service protection for so long. [3:09:31] and was denied, which is also... Right while I was running, yeah. [3:09:36] which is crazy. It was crazy. And the Biden administration is like, nope. No. Yeah. [3:09:43] Everybody else can have it, but not you. Yeah. That's so crazy. Yeah. And then he did get Secret Service after the assassination attempt on President Trump. [3:09:56] But it wasn't for very long because the election was... [3:09:59] you know, close anyway. But just that, just having secret service and security around you all the time is [3:10:12] Let's go. [3:10:13] crazy. And also, what's disturbing? You learn... [3:10:19] you learn what to look for and what to do in an emergency and what, you know, [3:10:27] things that you... [3:10:29] would never really... [3:10:30] things that you wouldn't think about but then now you walk into a room and you look at people and you're like okay that guy's sweating [3:10:39] a lot for no reason. You look to see what's suspicious, what's going on, and you see things differently, and it's just like... You have to have your guard up for the kooks. Yeah, a lot of kooks. There are a lot of kooks. Yeah, and you know...

[3:10:55] This is a conversation we had recently. I think they've weaponized those kooks. They make these people think that they're doing something important. Yeah. Yeah. [3:11:03] There was a lot of talk like that, like someone needs to step up and do something. [3:11:07] Like what? What are you saying? Like what do you say? What the fuck? What the fuck are you saying? Right. Right. Yeah. [3:11:14] Yeah. Like imagine advocating for that and being thinking you're on the good side. Yeah. You should do something. Yeah. But the only solution is assassination. Someone needs to do that. [3:11:23] Yeah. [3:11:24] Yeah. [3:11:26] I'm glad we're leaving this on a high note. [3:11:32] It is an undeniably bizarre time. It was a bizarre time. And again, I think it's uniquely bizarre today because we know more about what's really going on than ever before. [3:11:43] Yeah. You know, we know more about the behind the scenes stuff than ever before and just [3:11:49] Yeah. [3:11:50] And it's about who do you believe? [3:11:53] That's the thing. [3:11:54] Well, once again, that's why people... [3:11:57] really like... [3:11:58] your show because... [3:12:00] You're not trying to... [3:12:03] Win anything. [3:12:05] You're not trying to get anything wrong. [3:12:07] That's why people really respond to it. I think people need some kind of uncensored, uncontrolled discourse. There's hardly any out there. No. Most of it is controlled by advertisers. Yeah. Yeah. [3:12:23] And it's just not good. Yeah.

[3:12:26] All my friends who do shows where they're on some sort of a show, you have to – you get notes. People come in. You got to cut this out. Can't talk about that. Don't bring this up. This is going to piss off that company. This is going to do this. It's like – [3:12:42] It's not good for us. Yeah. And that's the beautiful thing about the internet. Like this is a thing that they never saw coming. And this is what's so important about Elon owning Twitter. You know, he just turned it into the Wild West. Like go crazy. Yeah. That's what we need. That's the only – you get a lot of bullshit. There's a lot of – everyone is going to get tricked a few times. [3:13:03] For the most part, reality resurfaces. [3:13:06] Hmm. [3:13:07] So that's our way to go. I'm going to try to remember that. For the most part, reality resurfaces. Yeah, when you try to squash it for a long time, no matter what, eventually it pops up. Yeah. You go, oh, this is real. Yeah, because there's only one truth. [3:13:24] There are a lot of different lies, lies, lies, but then one truth [3:13:28] And if it. [3:13:29] like you're saying, keeps coming up. It's really hard to deny. Yeah. The problem is like with government, the truth is so difficult to understand. There's so much going on. There's so many moving pieces. You're like, okay, well, why is that happening? Well, who's doing that? Why is that? Why'd they make that decision in the first place? Well, what happened to that ruler? How did he get kicked out of office? We funded that? Like, oh God. Yeah. And it's just so, the rabbit hole goes so deep. Yeah. And that's one of the reasons why people get so obsessed

[3:13:59] chasing down every single story. Yeah. Yeah. [3:14:03] Or just make a new one. [3:14:05] Make their own. It's easier for them. Just make a new one. You don't have to worry about the facts of what's real. It's just like, oh, did you hear about? [3:14:18] Unscripted. You did the audio for it? I did. My sister says to... [3:14:22] play it like... [3:14:23] at least one speed faster. [3:14:27] You're just telling me you have a subtle way of her saying you're boring. Why are you talking so slowly? Oh, that's funny. But yeah, it's interesting. I mean, I think it's [3:14:36] Of course, I hope. I think it's interesting because I wrote it. But yeah, there is definitely... [3:14:41] stuff about CURB, stuff about [3:14:43] Um, [3:14:44] The Bobby, the politics, Bobby before politics, Bobby after politics. [3:14:51] It's great. It's a wild ride. All right. Well, thank you very much, Cheryl. I really enjoyed talking to you. Thank you so much. It was a lot of fun. Me too. All right. Thank you, everybody. Bye. Bye. [3:15:14] This episode is brought to you by the Farmer's Dog. Here's a fun fact. Research shows that dogs who maintain a healthy weight can live up to two and a half years longer on average than dogs who are overweight. [3:15:25] Isn't that wild and also kind of obvious at the same time? So why is feeding vague scoops of ultra-processed kibble still the status quo for most dog owners? Healthy alternatives exist, and trust me, I know –

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